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@Pandora said in TS - Danger zone:

ETA: @Ghost It's okay if sometimes you don't have anything useful to say; not-chiming-in has never in and of itself killed anyone.

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@Pandora said in TS - Danger zone:

Then why does it matter so much if they TS, when you acknowledge that any other sort of behavior is just as likely to lead to favoritism?

Said in the thread about TS.

This is a thread about TS and the behaviors surrounding it. I mean, it's cool that you have opinions about non-TS related favoritism, but this is the TS thread and all soooooooooo....

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@Ghost Well, of course it's fucking weird. It's a bunch of nerds talking about sex with people on the internet.

Dont you mean: artistically written character scenes?

Not the way I do it. It's like (The Watchmen's) Alan Moore got to write a revised edition of the Kama Sutra.

STFU NERD Watchmen is Damon Lindeloff or Zack Snyder. Who's this Alan Moore guy?

Anyway, srsly props to the people who said TS was a sexual event between players (not chars) and were more forthcoming.

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@Ghost Well, of course it's fucking weird. It's a bunch of nerds talking about sex with people on the internet.

Dont you mean: artistically written character scenes?

There's so much weird....vague blocking in this thread.

Like(sic):

Statement: "I think staff sometimes plays favorites based on who TSes them."

Vague Blocking Response: "Everyone has a right to enjoy whatever kind of RP they want. Fuck yourself."

This thread has been pretty revealing and fascinating, IMO, but also veryfuckingweird.

@WildBaboons said in TS - Danger zone:

But is TSing the prince more viable than FTB with the prince?

It is if the player of the Prince is looking for TS.

Wish/fantasy fulfillment is huge with some mushers and quid-pro-quo responses are common. You tend to get more back from people if you drill down into giving them what they want.

@mietze said in TS - Danger zone:

I think someone using "you" in a scene, especially a private one, is almost universally reviled the last time this discussion was had, as something that crossed boundaries even if it wasnt the intent.

I've wondered sometimes (and never asked, perhaps I should have) if the "you" was because they were knowingly trying to put me, the player, as the target of an action or if they were honestly trying to write scenes from a 2nd person perspective for the reader to absorb.

Then again, maybe thats a part of the problem. People HATE 2nd person but rather than ask why or ask to switch to 3rd, players just get dodged. Which, if that's the case when I did it, technically there wasn't anything noble about me ducking them if they just thought RP was that way. I would be the asshole then, wouldn't I?

@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:

I do want to point out that 'RL spouse getting angry' isn't something to hold against the person.

I had that happen. I casually mentioned TS (as a thing that I did sometimes; not like a specific scene lol) once because he knew I RP'd. He LARPed. He'd been an MMO RPer. I figured it was nbd.

Boy flipped his shit at me. Now, I want to say I didn't bring it on the game or say anything. I don't think I did because I got mad at him for it. @Ghost can fact check me tho cause this happened while Cyri and Nitrim were a thing.

Anyway. RL SOs aren't something to lump in with the rest IMO.

Consider fact checked and agreed.

RL spouse getting upset isn't something I hold against a player, but it is definitely their issue, not mine. I dont care how good or bad someone's RL relationship is. After a first incident of angry spouse I may have avoided that kind of RP with the person afterward because the last thing I wanted was to be some third party online homewrecker in a divorce.

Either way, if anyone said to me "Hey let's not RP these characters as a couple because my RL partner/spouse isn't comfortable with it" I've always honored that, and think that's a great way to handle it.

@Wizz I can share my own interest in the analysis, at the least.

Over years of MU I've collected a handful of experiences. Cuckold RL husband watching TS, accusations of triggering RL relationship hangups with spouses, OOC oversharing, repeated pages asking what my OOC kinks are, being told "I love you" in a relationship sense, plenty of clinginess, hell hath no fury threats or issues when trying to politely exit IC relationship stuff, lots of paging about "always being chosen second", OOC guilting, etc etc etc. The list goes on. I could probably list 20 or so things I've experienced first or second hand.

It's my belief than dozens of MUers can, too.

My mindset is that people could continue to act as if these OOC blowups regarding IC relationship roleplay, the stalking, the baseless forum accusations that omg couldnt be anything but true are singular instances every single time, be wowed at them as if they don't happen weekly, and get really good at staying out of it. OR delve into asking really why that is and attempting to ferret out an understanding.

I believe that there are two camps of relationship roleplayers: People who do it healthily and people who do it to satisfy personal (physical/emotional) deficiencies and grow unhealthy attachments to players, characters, or the need for the jolt TS/relationship RP brings.

I believe that one type of RPer wants to avoid OOC attachment forming, and that the other won't declare what they're looking for because it could lead to being avoided (if even theyre aware enough to understand the thirst).

I've grown to believe that there are players who approach the hobby as a writing hobby, and others who approach the hobby as a form of "Second Life" due to a disappointing RL where character is player and negative IC results are taken far more seriously on an OOC level, perhaps even a dangerous one.

So, you either avoid it and stay in your lane, or you ask the Danger Zone questions and try to identify what it is and find RPers of similar mindset to avoid these trap/bait-and-switch scenarios.

So when someone says "you" instead of "she" or pages you to ask what your kinks are, is it really cooperative writing, or is something else going on?

I think it's a worthier topic in this hobby than some others.

The point of this isn't about shaming or discussing sex.

The point of this is that there's a shady zone in regards to certain things on MUs that is generally left in "dont acknowledge, don't ask" territory, and that asking those questions are "Danger Zone"

New Dangerzone Question:

"Have you ever paged someone your SAFE WORD as part of what was allegedly an entirely IC TS scene?"

For the record, just in case anyone wants to cross into OOC with me, my safe word phrase is:

"Girl, your area smell like taco meat"

It ensures that the sexy stuff will stop, though it may cause further beating.

@Sunny What happens on the scratchy green office rug stays on the scratchy green office rug

@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:

@Sunny said in TS - Danger zone:

Some people are crazy so you should feel bad having fun ever again.

I do feel bad.
please, tell me what a bad, bad girl I am.

gurrrrrrrl if you half of what Casey Anthony is, it's gonna get on.

Each person is gonna have their own views and approach.

But in an environment that contains dice throwing combat monkeys, hopeful professional writers, and spouses who are emotionally cheating...there are obvious places where water and oil result in alleged RL "damage".

Therein lies the danger zone, because a number of players will say their approach is one thing because it sounds great on paper, but that OOC bleed is real.

@RDC Look at it this way.

What I'm saying is that there are people out there that consider what goes on on these games as personal or related to their OOC personas, up to the point of being unable to tell the difference between an IC relationship and an OOC one. Meanwhile there are others that view this entirely as roleplaying characters and wanting to keep their OOC selves separate from it.

"People roleplay things they like" is a very general statement. Yes. People wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy it, but that statement dodges the greater question of "Is TS between the players, or is it between the characters?" which, as you've shown, not everyone is on the same page.

The gotcha here (or the tongue in cheek danger zone of this thread) is that for all of the big talk about "it being about the characters" there's a lot of hiding the evidence, covering it with litter, fear of witnessing, and aversion to other players seeing it, which if it is all IC there would be no shame of.

There are players that dont police the OOC bleed, or worse, are so comfortable with the concept that their characters are essentially THEMSELVES that one should question:

Is it an IC romance scene, or two human beings on opposite sides of an internet connection getting each other horny?

@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:

@RDC said in TS - Danger zone:

Characters are ENTIRELY extensions of the players, whether it's sex or not.

Okay, let's test the hypothesis.

Folks, please be honest (if you want to be). When it comes to TS how much are your characters' preferences typically an extension of your own OOC ones?

I don't mean that just in the vanilla way - i.e. that they have the same sexual orientation as you do - although that can apply as well. More specifically, whatever your kinks might be, do your PCs tend to have the same ones or not?

My answer.

1. My characters had the orientations and tastes that I felt matched the characters themselves. I did not write about myself in a shell, but focused on the character's perspectives.
2. I tended to avoid "kinks" as content material and kept things as HBO-to-Skinemax as possible in terms of content and less "fetlife" due to the constant, uncomfortable feeling that I was not writing a story about characters (with another writer) but instead fantasy fulfillment of another player.
3. Most everyone likes steamy romance scenes, so it's potentially impossible to not cross things that I personally enjoy in real life, but MU was never (for me) an engine to quasi-experience those things.

Edit: Basically what Sao said.

@Jeshin said in TS - Danger zone:

@Ghost

No I get that I'm asking if the rhetorical answer is logging is bad or posting logs is bad.

If you're asking me specifically?

I don't think anything that happens IC should be something that you're ashamed of other people reading. If you're nervous about being logged without consent, it's worth meditating on. On the other side of the coin if you default log everything it comes down to the reasons why.

So that you can go back and remember stuff or have a rolling log for reference material I think is fairly reasonable. If it's not for that reason it may be worth meditating on.

@Jeshin said in TS - Danger zone:

Question

I log everything into a master log automatically once I start playing a game. Is people being uncomfortable with TS being logged because it might be posted or is it the actual thought of it being saved somewhere?

Its more a rhetorical question that delves into Danger Zone

@Ganymede said in Good Music:

@Wretched

I’m sorry, since when does anyone consider Minaj to be the Queen of Rap?

Right.

Im sure her majesty Latifah, who was crowned in 1989 and actually carries the Lady title of Queen would have something to say about that.