Also, to add:
Of course, I joke up above with gifts of champagne bottles because the truth, tongue in cheek, is that despite the insistence of many that everyone here (including myself) is toxic, there sure are a lot of forays away from that safe space where we arent to interface with us and subject themselves to this so-called unbearable toxicity.
It's kind of the unspoken truth of the situation altogether
@hobos and that's a fair stance. People like Macha deserve to have a place where they can defend themselves without constant ridicule. Really, everyone in the community does.
Being above board, I don't personally agree with everyone else's assessment on the Cobalt situation (I literally just wanted to rule out retaliation before coming to a judgment, myself), but allow me to offer you a different perspective:
There is so much pent-up toxicity across the entire community that (since the days of WORA-on-forward) I think it's pretty obvious that there are two kinds of places: places where the toxicity is encouraged and places where the toxicity is attempted to be kept in check. MSB isn't perfect by any means and people can make what they want of it. It's a communal effort. We could chat about football, the newest season of Mandalorian, and have meditation circles.
Attempted being the key word.
I think that whenever anyone posts anything here trying to defend themselves or be constructive and the angry BMD crowd comes over to ridicule (or keep it going) you're going to see some of that old stuff ignite. For some of these people it's muscle memory, and it's hard to let go of (apparently).
My advice is to keep being faithful to your beliefs and don't be afraid to call out when you think this place isn't acting like it wanted to be. We're all humans here and it may help to have a cricket on the shoulder chime in when old reflexes are kicking.
In short: I think your respectful opinions and perspectives are fair and welcome
Can I just say that I think it's great that despite a split in the community, the number of people monitoring or reserving the right to come back to post proves THAT MSB IS ALIVE AND KICKIN BABY WOOOO
...and to think someone I don't remember or give a shit about earlier was like (sour voice) msb has only 5 active users waaah
On a personal note, it means a lot to me because I am literally an undead phantasm that would cease to exist if no one remembered (or cared for) who I was, so a huge THANK YOU to both forums for all of the attention. It is literally sustaining my life-force and allowing me to haunt my ex-wife and her new Chad husband while I watch little Kevin grow into an impressive point guard at his YMCA kids league. Without all of this I would be sucked into the bright, glowing vortex of ecclesiastical light I've been avoiding since I became a ghost.
And yet you are basically slut shaming me, calling me a creeper and worse, for a log that didn't have any TS in it.
This is an entirely fair statement.
If we can all agree that slut-shaming is wrong, then taking 3rd party details of a scene between two consenting writers and releasing log, personal details on who the player is, and kicking off a campaign to label them as a sexual predator...is slut shaming.
And may I say if there are levels of slut shaming ranging from 1 to 10, taking a romance/intense scene log and turning into a sexual predator campaign lands somewhere between "9" and "I asked Danny Masterson to tweet a link to it."
No. I didn’t TS Isaac. I RP’d all of once with him where I was acting as GM and was busy having a vampire spray other characters in the scene with pepper spray
Also! Cool! That wasn't so hard now, was it? Now I understand/believe that there was no attached retaliatory motive in the whole thing and anyone who suggests otherwise after the fact is being an asshole.
Do I feel this warranted the level of attack that it did? No. But you do you. It's your game. Whatevs. Shut it down, nuke it, whatever, ban whoever you want.
I could care less who does TS and don't give a fuck who you RP with. I don't slut-shame. This was simply (as I have stated multiple times) that the level of response from you (banning multiple people, closing the game, accusing SA) seemed to be a nuclear response and have seen responses like this more often when some kind of triangle shit explodes. Given that this Isaac player was demanding so much secrecy, it stood to wonder if that was because they were keeping other people in a harem compartmentalized.
So since the answer is no? Boom. Case closed. Still doesn't make sense to me but at least it wasn't retaliatory for that reason.
Super bizarre social scene here.
Also maybe so. I would prefer to think that nobody here is on any "side" except the truth, though. And I would love to see people on this forum acting that way.
Ditto. SA, being a sex creeper, etc is a HUUUGE accusation and I don't give a fuck whether or not Macha is popular. I'm loathe to see posters and pitchforks marched out before anyone knows what the actual truth is, and feel even less comfortable when people won't answer questions about having skin in the game surrounding the accusation.
I guess it doesn't matter in the end though because it seems that the necessity of truth is pretty much secular.
@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
One is based on logs. The other is fanfiction. Can you spot the difference between these two pictures?
Uhm. duh-doy. Logs and fan-fiction are words and not pictures. There is no difference between those pictures. They aren't pictures at all.
Let me turn this around on you.
What is different between one person reading a non-sex filled 3rd party log between two consenting writers and determining that it is sexual assault to the degree of needing to spread it around to everyone that so-and-so is a sexual creeper...and one person speculating that the reason that this person did so is out of an undisclosed personal motive related to a question theyre refusing to answer?
The difference is that one group of people actually give a fuck about the truth, and another group of people are day 3 into the congratulatory kegger party into not giving a fuck about the truth and getting on with the fun stuff.
@hobos yeah I'm not into this court of mushers shit. Look a few posts back and I explained why I just want the answer to that y/n question. My angle here is simply that my gut tells me that there's a side of this not being disclosed and that this "court of mushers" shit is about as unbiased as a court date on the surface of Unicron.
The amount of pageantry involved in trying to get a pound of flesh out of a personal attack and come out of it looking justified, if anything, is the community side game. I just wish people were fuckin honest about it so it wouldn't look so much like weaponized insecurity.
@Bessarion No, she doesn't owe me anything. I just think it's easier to accuse other people of being into sexual assault and being disgusting people than admitting your own stake in the situation.
Everyone else gets their character marched on display. Very satisfying stuff.
Then again, someone could just confirm "yes" or fuckin "no" and everyone who speculated looks stupid, but instead the focus is on the definitive differences between accusation, speculation, inference, fracas, ruckus, etc.
This whole situation is dumb and dishonest, and as far as I'm concerned at this point the missing link between everything is okay and sudden uninvolved 3rd party accusations of SA, a Ruiz spotting, and the game being quickly shut down lies in whatever reason the accuser won't answer that question.
None of us are new to drama like this and this would probably be the 600th iteration of "got pissed and burned everything down."
@Misadventure Yeah, Zavala(sp?). Wonderful voice actor.
@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
And I'm done giving your dysfunctional ass attention. Just stop.
(Bold is mine) That's a personal attack. Please stop.
Lol.
But spinning a story about how I banned Macha because I wanted Isaac for myself wasn’t? Y’all some on some hypocritical stuff here.
I don't think this is the case, but I find it rather curious that you won't disclose whether or not you had a personal stake in the situation.
It's a simple yes or no question, and if the answer were 'no' the whole thing would be null and void. Anyone who would have suspected otherwise would be wrong and look stupid.
Personally, I'm sensing you have more skin in the game than you're admitting and won't answer because not doing so controls whether or not any of this is considered to be retaliatory.
I could be wrong, but that would require a 'no'. It doesn't really matter asking anymore at this point; I don't expect an answer. To be fair, I never really did.
@Bessarion FYI they don't have to stop anything for you to stop giving then attention. You could, at any time, muster up the self control and stop responding.
Yeah the SO and I just started a rewatch of Fringe, too. We're on season 3 so getting into the great Walternate/Fauxlivia stuff.
@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
Also, "alphabet mafia" is some real homophobic bullshit.
That's a fact, @Macha. Careful with that.
Of course, though it doesn't negate the point of your post altogether. Deffo wanna avoid using that term, especially when being monitored by people who will just ignore your point(s) and focus on things to hang you with. Making good points or not you probably just bought yourself 20 posts about being a homophobe.
@Macha I think there's sometimes an issue with self-blindness and dishonesty across this rather small community. While on one hand it's somewhat nice to see people being open about being callous to mistreatment of people they don't like (or openly admitting that less popular people are easier to mistreat or bury due to people's unwillingness to listen to them when they defend themselves), it's also somewhat of a shame to know that this isn't going to result in some self-willed enlightenment that will urge people who "oft wield the truncheon" to place greater responsibility upon themselves to empathize with mistreated people and avoid abusing accused people who aren't their favorites.
On one hand, the community rushes to defend the alleged "victim" and will vehemently attack anyone who dares to question or blame the "victim", but is open to repeatedly abusing people who have been accused, the accused turns out to be the victim, and behaves as if little wrong had been done by them because it's the fault of the victim's "clout score" with them. One too many cases turn out where the alleged victim is actually the attacker. Then, on the other side of the coin, people will be fucked up to the point of publicly diagnosing others' mental or emotional disabilities (or armchair-diagnosing people with mental or emotional disabilities) and it's okay because they're unpopular...but unleash the fires of hell for not being empathetic (or accommodating of) to some self-diagnosed autism spectrum disorder so long as the person "harmed" is their friend. Let's not get into just how much potential RL damage that can cause a person.
In the end, it's really no different from any high school clique or fucked up church scene. Roles of "who is allowed to abuse" is decided on a social hierarchy and those who don't fall into line with the doctrine are responsible for their own abuse, looking down upon them is justified, and those who think they're at the top of their pathetic social hierarchy become blind in the belief that their purity is beyond reproach.
None of this is actual, normal, real-world behavior and only persists within secluded/insular communities where healthy, reasonable outsiders are too smart and healthy to subject themselves to.
@kk That's the hardest part; setting boundaries.
On one hand, you don't want to say something that will judge/dodge you out of roleplay, so you (rhetorical you) do your best to come across as easy to work with and accommodating. On the other hand, not setting boundaries up front is something 10x easier to do with someone you already have rapport with. Sometimes players will outright decide not to RP with you if you say you're not looking for TS or relationship RP. There's definitely a subtle art to asserting your boundaries -and- coming across as worth roleplaying with.
It would appear...that no one...wants to answer questions.
