@Ghost FUCK NO. That is creepy and stalkery behavior and fucking disgusting.
If people want nothing to do with someone, be fucking honest and ask for a chance. OR, fucking respect their choices. Consent based on a lie is not consent.
God, I'm just sitting here grossing the fuck out.
Sorry, everyone, that person is now banned for hate speech and flagrant rule-breaking.
@Juniper That's kind of the best resolution to that kind of petty stomping out. "Ok. Bye." sounds of fun being had without them.
Mine is my char from the old WoD IRC channel. I seem to recall that it had something to do with a fire goddess but it was a take on a fire goddess's name and it's been so long that I can't remember the mythology it came from.
I do tend to recycle old MU names, but it has to do with how hard I connected with the char in the first place and the wish to give them extra life.
@Macha I have the same problem. It's why I like PBs.
There's one guy who was on The Network and then on another game that I was on who would vault over boundaries. The second time he did it, he did it while not using his normal Ares handle so I wouldn't know it was him. (I figured it out on my own, anyway. He had very noticeable patterns.)
To quote a friend, "Consent that you have to lie to get isn't consent." Frankly, I don't understand how anyone can leave MUshing due to bad experiences and distrust and then complain that those of us who stayed want to be able to know who we associate with on a regular basis. That's a pretty big disconnect, thinking that it's OOC drama to ask for that information. It's not, it's called informed consent. If someone is on the receiving end of the question, that's not OOC drama, it's someone being self-protective due to past incidents, or actively trying to avoid OOC drama.
Hell, I know there's a number of people who don't want to RP with me. I do my best to respect that. I'm an acquired taste and I get that I'm not everyone's cuppa.
What I do is try to find the person who's a RL friend who wants the same kind of RP. Either come into the game with an established "relationship" or map out what the two of you want to happen in RP and actually stay in communication. Then we both have a shield from predators. This has worked on numerous games.
For meeting new people, there's always networking within the friend-group you have. "Do you know who this person is or know them from another game?"
But really, you are 100% in control of the information you give out, so be very sure before you give it out. Predators will stalk even without the personal info, so don't jump in with both feet the first time you chat with someone OOCly. If they're giving you their life story before you've even said hello, it's a red flag.
@Tapewyrm This is the Mildly Constructive board. The aforementioned Rules of Engagement are still in full force on this board.
Unfortunately, the way you're engaging is, whether intentional or not, coming across as antagonistic. "Whining" about toxic masculinity or femininity really has no purpose but to start a fight, and in that case, it belongs on The Hog Pit. Except it closed because that kind of fighting has no place on MSB anymore.
On the other hand, if that kind of argument is your thing, maybe try BrandMuDay?
@Pandora said in Bring back the Hog Pit:
I'm too old and cranky to to find a new place to argue with people, just bring it back.
No.
The only reason it's still accessible is because Gany made a promise and we're honoring it. It's closed, it stays closed.
Old Gods of Appalachia
I honestly can't recommend this one enough, it's sort of Lovecraftian horror in the mountains and it's gorgeous. PLUS. Monte Cook Games just put out an RPG for it last year.
I didn't call Gany out for several reasons.
I actually was of the opinion that Gany wasn't attacking Ghost personally, but his arguments. Ghost's response was, IMHO, because he's not fond of being called out. But, by the time I was there to read Ghost's response, Gany had already self-edited and my input wasn't actually needed, in spite of Ghost later trying to get me to call out Gany, which was an action I found blatantly manipulative, much like his response to you.
There's two of us modding this board, one of whom has EXTREMELY limited time to deal with anything and not enough spoons, and then there's me, a menopausal bitch who is trying very hard to stay fair and not give actual opinions when what is called for is trying to stay unbiased. For the record, I'm EXTREMELY biased and Derp is reining me in because I'm feeling pretty extreme and if I get as honest as I'm actually feeling, things are going to go south real fast.
I'm watching an awful lot of people backseat mod when they don't want to step up. Anyone want to come be a third? Please do apply. I'd welcome it. But mods have lives, this is a slow forum and this is about as active as we're likely to get, since, as aforementioned, there's two of us and one of us had his personal time severely curtailed and the other one has limited spoons. Then again, criticising about how the mods do it when no one wants to be one is also a time-honored tradition.
We're not getting clearer community guidelines. Period. There are not enough spoons to try to make up rules when the overwhelming rule is "don't be a dick." However, if anyone thinks we should remove this thread, DM me, I'd be all for it. I'm one of the people who actually found this entire thread insulting.
I'm trying like hell to be fair, here. As it happens, I think I'm being fairer to Ghost than everyone else because again, personal bias: I'm insulted as hell, I've watched him ignore me, ignore everyone who's insulted and he's only paying attention to Gany, Derp and you, Faraday. My response to my own known bias is to try to be more open-minded, which is clearly biting me on the ass.
Anyway, thanks for your input, I'll take it all under advisement.
@faraday Ghost is already on two strikes. The third one, on any thread, is a ban. What more would you suggest?
@Derp Well...yes. It actually is, when you realize the original WORA was there to inform people about which games were run by psycho-hose-beasts.
AI isn't actually an ethical solution, as it ends up ripping off real artists without compensation. It's useful and expedient but it isn't necessarily ethical.
Frankly, the entire argument against PBs isn't an argument against PBs, it's an argument against unethical players who are being manipulative. Which really means that you have to be vigilant about who you play with and what you're willing to get into with people you don't know.
@Ghost This is strike two. You've already been told to tone it down. Don't have a strike three.