Posts made by Tinuviel

@insomniac7809 said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@tinuviel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@insomniac7809 said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

After all, that's what 1984 is about, the totalitarian point of view in which the potential of a word to hurt means it has to expunged from the lexicon outright.

That is not what 1984 is about.

It's a valid reading of the text. Anything that 'hurts' the governmental machine is removed. Emotions, words, people, etcetera.

Well, first off, that's really stretching the analogy when we're going from "removing things that hurt people" to "banning things that 'hurt' the hold of a totalitarian regime."

Second, the point in 1984 isn't really removing the anti-Party concepts so much as it is to keep them as something that's constantly abused, degraded and tortured ("boot on face" etc) for the sake of glorifying the Party. Removing hurt isn't the point in 1984, inflicting it is.

Like I said, it's a valid reading. That doesn't mean it's the only one. An element in the Party's ability to cause harm is its ability to expunge harm done against itself. A rather vital element, I would argue.

But this isn't really the literary discussion circle.

ETA: Also I wasn't judging the analogy, just the analysis of the text.

@three-eyed-crow Oh that's easy, he'd say "did they pay for their copy? Good. They're wrong." Regardless of who it was.

@faraday I tend to agree, at least in the context of a forum on the internet that doesn't matter. In reality, though, I don't ever want to not be able to argue with someone simply because what I'm arguing against is a strongly held belief. The stronger the hold, the stronger one's ability to defend should be.

@deadculture

@insomniac7809 said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

After all, that's what 1984 is about, the totalitarian point of view in which the potential of a word to hurt means it has to expunged from the lexicon outright.

That is not what 1984 is about.

It's a valid reading of the text. Anything that 'hurts' the governmental machine is removed. Emotions, words, people, etcetera.

While I can feel my descriptivist self banging on the doors to his cage demanding to be let out, it is important for me to note that while words can have context that is as intricate and beautiful as a spider's web... they can also just not be used when it is evident those words cause problems for some number of people.

Choosing one's words carefully is not a difficult thing for the mature person, and thus when someone requests that you do not use a word because they prefer not to see it, it is a simple matter to simply exclude that word from your vocabulary while engaging with or around them.

If you intentionally continue to use words once someone has asked you, politely of course, to stop you're the problem. This isn't about rights, or degrees, or contexts, or anything else than basic decency. I have a right to cook and serve beef, but I am not going to do so with my vegetarian friends and demand they simply deal with it.

@friendlybee While the 'right' to free speech is exactly as you've described, the concept of being free to speak as one wishes can be adequately abbreviated to 'free speech' given the context.

@deadculture We aren't.

How am I still not drunk enough for this?

@ganymede That's usually how I start a... never mind.

@deadculture Amen to that.

@deadculture But isn't the art of moving goal-posts far beyond any reasonable arena the done thing in this hobby?

I stay out of the political forum because I don't need everything to be about goddamn politics.

@surreality That word is certainly a United States-centric problem.

There's something to be said for imposing one culture on others. And that's an ethics discussion that I'm willing to have. But this political talk needs to talk a long fuckin' walk off of a short pier.

@surreality Oh bby I don't think you ever flash light.

@surreality said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

but I'm going without tactical underpants

I don't know why but I have the image of boxer-briefs with a built-in holster and flashlight...

Isn't there a political section for all this shit?

I'm presently on between-term-vacation from work, I still check in on things and get drafts of my students' work sent to me for assistance and review.

For the first time all year one of the more "troubled" students has sent work in. It feels nice to feel like I'm actually making a difference in a young life.

@botulism said in MU Things I Love:

Running a game where things have an expiration date

I definitely wish more games did this. In a way that people were definitely aware of such an expiration, of course.