The difference is between being proud of who you are and thinking you're better than anyone else because of it.
It's like working out. It's perfectly fine to take satisfaction from your peak condition but not to look down at the couch dwellers.
Edit: In retrospect that's not a good analogy. At least working out is something you did and earned, but your ethnicity is just a matter of being born.
This is an odd thread. But it's gotten this far without devolving into a helter-skelter racewar, so I'm ready to wade in.
I'm 100% Murikan Dirt Farmer going pretty much all the way back to 1800 or so on both sides of my family. So, basically, that means I'm mostly English/Scottish with a bit of Irish, German, and French thrown in.
My mother's family history traces the progressive extermination of American Indians across the North, finally ending in eastern Oregon. My father's family history are Grapes of Wrath Arkie types, most recently from Texarkana, where I can take small pride in them having been too Poor White Trash to probably have ever owned slaves. (Though my maternal grandmother tried to convince my brother and I, aged 12 and 9, that "Life on the plantation was so good, they had to chase the colored folks off after the war." The look on her face as we argued back is a precious memory.)
But then I went and got married to a woman whose mother is Lithuanian Jewish and whose father is from Glasgow Scotland. And my brother married a woman who is half Japanese Imperialist, half Manchurian collaborator. So we've messed up the whole 'unbroken line of nativist whites' thing.
A significant side of my family is from Linz, Austria. Y'know, Linz: Excellent cheese, excellent locally sourced meats, birthplace of Hitler.
My cousin once made a joke that it would be super awkward if we were related to Adolf. It got real fucking quiet along the side of the dinner table that seated all the people who might know something.
I super don't ever want to know.
I know you're just kidding, but:
In the event of a Race War, or a War Race, I have purchased guns and ammunition, and have logged a decent amount of time at the shooting range.
This here's one darkie the Aryans won't catch unprepared! I'm not trying to be an Internet Tough Guy, I'm just saying.
I'm human, composed of millions of years of DNA evolving, adapting, and mutating along that timeline.
But if you want to get specific: Swiss, French, English.
Apparently, my dad tells me there's history of British aristocracy and horse thieves. Which may also be the same thing.
MUSH-free since 02/2017
This may or may not change in the future.
So you're white.
There, that wasn't so hard, was it? I don't believe in the whole "we're all human" mess. The lines have been drawn already; they aren't going to go away now just because they've become a liability.
Take a lesson from @Thenomain, chum. Have the temerity to own up to your whiteness.
Also, if you have any sisters, I'd like to meet 'em. I've never had a (diluted) Swiss maiden before.
@Cirno said:
I don't believe in the whole "we're all human" mess.
I believe it intrinsically.
I believe humans are defensive of their clan and wired to be afraid of differences. I believe that because of this they pass on the things they know as "good" and the things they do not as "bad".
Everything I see around me supports this. We are all human. This means being a mess.
I don't believe one second that "White Guilt" should be a meme that is allowed to exist for more than the three seconds to see how unjustifiable it is, but at the same time for fuck's sake Other Races, don't pretend that you're without acting shamefully just because you are <fill in culture-plus-skin-tone mix here>.
Can we please, as the Human Race, drop the 'skin tone' part of it and focus on the only part that matters: The culture that provides fuel to that bullshit? Like Chris Rock says, "The niggers have got to go.."
(n.b., I just love this bit, and this thread suddenly gave me an excuse to share it..)
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
@Cirno said:
@DamnitJim
In the event of a Race War, or a War Race, I have purchased guns and ammunition, and have logged a decent amount of time at the shooting range.This here's one darkie the Aryans won't catch unprepared!
You know, this could work for me... I mean, if you want to just wing me and keep me tied to the bed, Misery style, to write you TS blogs and be subject to the occasional...
Wait. Is this the Ethnicity thread or the Sexual Themes in Roleplay thread?
Scientifically, we're all Homo sapiens.
Politically speaking, not so much. If you really want an end to the whole Race dialogue, we've gotta destroy the current political systems entrenched in our society.
However, talk like this gets one branded an Internet Activist, or a SJW, or whatever label the Establishment is currently using to crush dissent.
I don't like marginalizing by color. I like to consider everyone has the potential to be a shithead, and usually are. Putting race into the mix just gives the idea that one has a leg up on the others.
But, it's all pretty moot in the end.
holyfuckilovebeingwhite.jpg
I admit to a slight tingling in my loins at your suggestion, here.
@Cirno said:
Politically speaking
Politics starts at home. When you're 3, becoming self-aware and asserting the very first ideas of control over your environment, and absorbing every iota of it. Your ancestral makeup may inform what diseases you might get, but it's much more likely that the biggest factor of your skin-tone is the same factor of your lot in life: Where you were born. Imagine how lucky we all are being able to discuss this and not, e.g., being trained to be a child warrior.
I think this is kind of a dumb thread. It's pretty harmless, really, but kind of dumb which is why I didn't go any further than "white", because after that it doesn't matter. Even that doesn't much matter, but hey, I'll play along. I enter into evidence what you said to @Monogram after they answered your question with a little bit of amusing tweaking of the original question.
"No, Monogram, you answered WRONG. You are supposed to be WHITE."
Of all the other white people in the thread, they get The Treatment? But yeah, like I said, dumb but a mostly harmless game.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
Everyone else declared their whiteness; yourself included. Mono did not, therefore, I gave him The Treatment, as you said.
But now he admitted it and everyone is happy now! I bear him no ill will, despite claims to the contrary.
I do not deny that emphasis on race is dumb, but the rules have already been made; it was not my decision to divide humans up according to their color.
I don't know why it's important that someone spell it out for you. French, Swiss and English ... what, Jew? I mean, duh.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
The serious philosophical subtexts to all this narcissistic ancestor worship...
It is not moral for Israeli soldiers and policymakers to place a de facto blockade on the Palestinian Territories and thus punish ordinary civilian Palestinians for the misdeeds of some radical Palestinians.
It is not moral for radical Palestinians to engage in violence towards random civilian Israelis in retaliation for the actions of Israeli soldiers and policymakers.
So I reject all responsibility for the bad behavior of other whites, people born in the 1970s, males, Californians, straights, college grads. Those individuals did what they did. I did what I did.
All this becomes vastly more obvious once we consider than from this point onward, people of 'mixed descent' will become the fastest growing segment of the population.
(Nota bene: This emphatically does not rule out having a social safety net. It merely says that a social safety net and other social justice considerations should be historically blind. E.g. class-based, not race-based.)
It is morally to baseless demand that Russian nationals be granted special immigration or other rights to the territories owned by the Russian Empire in 1848.
It is morally to baseless demand that Mexican nationals be granted special immigration or other rights to territories owned by the Mexican republic in 1848.
OK, now hopefully I've really got Cirno really horngry (horny-angry) and much fun will ensue.
(Edit: minor grammar fixes.)
There are black citizens of those countries. Shocking, I know.
I've always wanted to go to Germany and bag a tall German fräulein with long blonde hair and big breasts, myself.
I'd try to go two for two, and net a slender German youth with pouty lips, as well.
@DamnitJim said:
The serious philosophical subtexts to all this narcissistic ancestor worship...
- Do we believe in collective reward/punishment? Or do we believe in individual reward / punishment? I'm firmly opposed to collective rewards/punishments.
It is not moral for Israeli soldiers and policymakers to place a de facto blockade on the Palestinian Territories and thus punish ordinary civilian Palestinians for the misdeeds of some radical Palestinians.
It is not moral for radical Palestinians to engage in violence towards random civilian Israelis in retaliation for the actions of Israeli soldiers and policymakers.
So I reject all responsibility for the bad behavior of other whites, people born in the 1970s, males, Californians, straights, college grads. Those individuals did what they did. I did what I did.
All this becomes vastly more obvious once we consider than from this point onward, people of 'mixed descent' will become the fastest growing segment of the population.
(Nota bene: This emphatically does not rule out having a social safety net. It merely says that a social safety net and other social justice considerations should be historically blind. E.g. class-based, not race-based.)
- What is the statute of limitations on historical misdeeds? I'm firmly of the belief "Individuals can press for damages that occurred to their immediate ancestors, but no farther back."
It is morally to baseless demand that Russian nationals be granted special immigration or other rights to the territories owned by the Russian Empire in 1848.
It is morally to baseless demand that Mexican nationals be granted special immigration or other rights to territories owned by the Mexican republic in 1848.
OK, now hopefully I've really got Cirno really horngry (horny-angry) and much fun will ensue.
(Edit: minor grammar fixes.)
I ain't even angry, really, on account of having heard this argument fairly frequently, over the past few years.
To be honest, we don't want you to pay for your ancestor's indiscretions - it would be nice, especially since the descendants of Holocaust victims extracted payment from the Germans whose ancestors were involved in the Holocaust (it seems the Holocaust survivors and their families believe in Collective Punishment), but it seems that will probably never happen.
Mostly? We just want the descendants of slavemasters to admit that their forbears were nigger-killing slavemasters, instead of "legitimate businessmen", and that much of the capital now called "old money" in The USA is, in fact, money that was earned on the backs of slaves.
@Cirno Damn. You're no fun. I was hoping you'd exact reparations.
In all seriousness, the book to read on the economics of slavery is "Without Consent or Contract"
Mostly? We just want the descendants of slavemasters to admit that their forbears were nigger-killing slavemasters, instead of "legitimate businessmen", and that much of the capital now called "old money" in The USA is, in fact, money that was earned on the backs of slaves.
Slavery is a matter of pretty open history. I can't even recall the last time I heard anyone try to claim that it didn't happen, and the people who try to act as if it was a good thing or that the slave owners of the time weren't pretty much monsters are routinely ridiculed for either trolling or just being plain crazy. But if it matters: Some of my ancestors were nigger-killing slavemasters, and the vast bulk of the fortunes held by the richest white folks have their origins in exploitation of slave labor. Anybody who tries to make excuses for why their actions were justified by the period or whatever else is a delusional asshole of the highest order.
How far does this extend, though? My grandmother was descended from southern stock so there's surely some ancestral guilt there, but my grandfather was first generation American descended from Polish immigrants who were themselves little better than serfs. Or may have actually been serfs. Did Poland have serfs? Anyway, would he have to apologize, despite nobody in his ancestry having been nigger-killing slavemasters? I'm not going anywhere with that, no 'AH HA, GOTCHA!' planned, I just wondered.
No sarcasm or derisive tone intended by either part of that.
No love for brunettes. I feel very left out.
The difference is between being proud of who you are and thinking you're better than anyone else because of it.
It's like working out. It's perfectly fine to take satisfaction from your peak condition but not to look down at the couch dwellers.
Edit: In retrospect that's not a good analogy. At least working out is something you did and earned, but your ethnicity is just a matter of being born.
