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AeriaNyx · Jan 16, 2019, 7:34 PM

@auspice I was thinking Cee Lo Green, but that was based on a (admittedly dim) memory of his voice.

Ganymede · Jan 16, 2019, 4:43 AM

Watership Down is so fucking good that I miss the MUSH based on the same book.

Killer Klown · Jan 16, 2019, 5:03 PM

@ganymede I still have Bunnies and Burrows somewhere (old, like 70's era, tabletop RPG based loosely on the Watership Down world - surprisingly complex mechanics for the time... and for the fact that you were playing freaking rabbits)

sahin · Jan 16, 2019, 7:34 PM

@aerianyx I also think Cee Lo. Or T-Pain, for that brief autotune clue.

Auspice · Jan 16, 2019, 8:18 PM

@moth said in Good TV:

@aerianyx I also think Cee Lo. Or T-Pain, for that brief autotune clue.

Oooo, yeah, I forgot! I briefly began thinking T-Pain, too!

Auspice · Jan 17, 2019, 2:56 PM

I'm kinda convinced the Peacock is NPH at this point. I mean, it probably ISN'T but I want it to be.

Kanye Qwest · Jan 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

@auspice so... The shitty one and the not bad but not great one? I can't begrudge Luke Cage, but yikes.

ETA: re marvel shows on Disney streaming

Arkandel · Jan 17, 2019, 1:36 PM

@kanye-qwest What I begrudge is that the way things are shaping with streaming services starting to fragment we'll back to square one again... basically exactly like cable, but with services like Netflix, Disney, HBO, Amazon etc instead of channels and bundles.

It was great while it lasted to pay $12 and get nearly everything under one interface.

Coin · Jan 17, 2019, 1:48 PM

@arkandel said in Good TV:

@kanye-qwest What I begrudge is that the way things are shaping with streaming services starting to fragment we'll back to square one again... basically exactly like cable, but with services like Netflix, Disney, HBO, Amazon etc instead of channels and bundles.

It was great while it lasted to pay $12 and get nearly everything under one interface.

I mean, it was only a matter of time.

Arkandel · Jan 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

@coin said in Good TV:

I mean, it was only a matter of time.

It's also short sighted. The biggest hurdle to piracy is always convenience, and piracy is absolutely the biggest threat to content providers, especially the ones relying on very expensive content to draw people to their service.

So for example let's say you're Netflix and you spend $$$ to make Stranger Things. That's the kind of show you expect subscribers to be lured by, and then stay for the rest of your stuff. Finding this show online is very easy but it's still easier and more convenient to have a Netflix app on your phone and the content is just waiting for you, keeps track of where you left off, suggests similar shows based on your watch habits, etc. Same thing as Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc.

If it becomes too expensive or annoying to have 5 different apps to watch all your stuff then Android Box or your torrent client becomes a more attractive option, and given the budget of these productions they can't afford to miss out on subscribers. Even reduced subscriber growth (let alone loss) can be disastrous when you spend that much money on a small number of shows.

Coin · Jan 17, 2019, 2:16 PM

@arkandel said in Good TV:

@coin said in Good TV:

I mean, it was only a matter of time.

It's also short sighted. The biggest hurdle to piracy is always convenience, and piracy is absolutely the biggest threat to content providers, especially the ones relying on very expensive content to draw people to their service.

So for example let's say you're Netflix and you spend $$$ to make Stranger Things. That's the kind of show you expect subscribers to be lured by, and then stay for the rest of your stuff. Finding this show online is very easy but it's still easier and more convenient to have a Netflix app on your phone and the content is just waiting for you, keeps track of where you left off, suggests similar shows based on your watch habits, etc. Same thing as Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc.

If it becomes too expensive or annoying to have 5 different apps to watch all your stuff then Android Box or your torrent client becomes a more attractive option, and given the budget of these productions they can't afford to miss out on subscribers. Even reduced subscriber growth (let alone loss) can be disastrous when you spend that much money on a small number of shows.

I mean, sure, but even with piracy, these companies make money hand-over-fist. I mean fuuuuuuck, Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in history and they're still spending exorbitant amounts of money on it.

Arkandel · Jan 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

@coin said in Good TV:

I mean, sure, but even with piracy, these companies make money hand-over-fist. I mean fuuuuuuck, Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in history and they're still spending exorbitant amounts of money on it.

I'll be honest here. I have no idea how companies like Netflix quantify how successful a show is or how it contributes to their overall bottom of line.

For example if you make The Last Jedi you pay $X, you make $Y, and if Y is sufficiently more than X then yay, you're good to go!

How the fuck subscriber based stream providers can tell it's worth it for them to create big budget films, award winners etc... that's all a mystery. Part of me suspects it's trial and error, or maybe the profit margins are just that huge, but...

Lisse24 · Jan 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

@arkandel said in Good TV:

@kanye-qwest What I begrudge is that the way things are shaping with streaming services starting to fragment we'll back to square one again... basically exactly like cable, but with services like Netflix, Disney, HBO, Amazon etc instead of channels and bundles.

It was great while it lasted to pay $12 and get nearly everything under one interface.

The difference was that when I had cable, I basically had to pay for all the channels or have none of the channels. Now, if I don't want HBO, or Prime, or Hulu, I don't have to buy it.

Ganymede · Jan 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

@lisse24 said in Good TV:

The difference was that when I had cable, I basically had to pay for all the channels or have none of the channels. Now, if I don't want HBO, or Prime, or Hulu, I don't have to buy it.

For me the difference is, no matter how consolidated or fragmented the content might be, I will never be able to enjoy all of it because: (1) my partner insists on watching Hoarders or Hoarders with Animals or Hoarders Anime with that tiny Japanese cutesy kawaii or some medical porn show; and (2) I don't have any fucking time to watch anything but the above because partner.

Cupcake · Jan 17, 2019, 2:56 PM

@auspice said in Good TV:

I'm kinda convinced the Peacock is NPH at this point. I mean, it probably ISN'T but I want it to be.

Either NPH or Donny Osmond. Pretty sure now the Unicorn is Tori Spelling, and I'm still betting on Gladys Knight for the Bee. (She's been called the Empress of Soul, and she has four back up dudes in her clue package a la the Pips)

Auspice · Jan 17, 2019, 6:11 PM

@cupcake said in Good TV:

@auspice said in Good TV:

I'm kinda convinced the Peacock is NPH at this point. I mean, it probably ISN'T but I want it to be.

Either NPH or Donny Osmond. Pretty sure now the Unicorn is Tori Spelling, and I'm still betting on Gladys Knight for the Bee. (She's been called the Empress of Soul, and she has four back up dudes in her clue package a la the Pips)

It's probably Donny Osmond but I want it to be NPH in my heart.
Unicorn is prob Tori Spelling yes.
Alien is likely LaToya Jackson.

mietze · Jan 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

@ganymede your partner sounds like my kinda gal. I Hoarders! It's replaced Here Comes Honey Boo Boo for my beloved secret brain candy TV. I tried watching the Kondo show, but....I mean she is cute and all, but I love Hoarders more.

Ganymede · Jan 17, 2019, 8:32 PM

@mietze said in Good TV:

your partner sounds like my kinda gal. I Hoarders! It's replaced Here Comes Honey Boo Boo for my beloved secret brain candy TV. I tried watching the Kondo show, but....I mean she is cute and all, but I love Hoarders more.

If I wanted to spend my time watching a show about people who need professionals to clean up their fucking lives, I might as well have a drone following and taping all of my clients.

Here's to my personal toxicity in no longer giving two shits about people who seem content to abuse not only themselves but pets and children to the horrid shitholes they create for themselves.

Auspice · Jan 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

The mother of the kids I hung out with as a teen was a hoarder. I just cannot watch that show because their house.......

11 kids. 4 bedroom house. You had to navigate through narrow pathways made of boxes and piles of shit.

One year, ONE, I made the mistake of going to Walmart with them around Christmas (before it was common for them to be open 24/7 and it was a special thing during the holidays) because I needed to buy some gifts.

I SPENT EIGHT HOURS THERE. This woman would go through every. single. aisle. She left there with like four? carts overflowing.

One year her kids pooled money together to send their parents on a vacation and cleaned out as much from the house as possible.

I dunno the state of things these days since I think all the kids have moved out (the youngest might still live at home; I think she's... 16 or 17 now).

Thenomain · Jan 18, 2019, 1:41 PM

@arkandel said in Good TV:

I'll be honest here. I have no idea how companies like Netflix quantify how successful a show is or how it contributes to their overall bottom of line.

It's 100% internal to their goals, so every company will use different metrics. Consider how successful Mario Run was (not too shabby), but Nintendo canned it because it wasn't successful enough.