Fitness and Whatnot
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I have a friend who's an ectomorph. He can eat 5k Calories a day and still have a difficulty gaining weight. I'd love to exchange 20% of his ectomorphness with 20% of my endomorphness.
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There used to be an Indian food place in a mall here that I and my friends visited. One day we noticed that they no longer had large cups. We asked the gentleman who ran the place what was up, and he explained that soda wasn't good for you, and he did not want to be responsible for someone having so much soda at once. People were encouraged to go to another place if they needed a large soda.
I don't know why, but that motivated me to stop ordering soda with meals, or buying it to have at home. I moved on to unsweetened iced tea.
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My only exercise is walking 2 one-mile routes to and from work, which I do as long as the temperature is above -10. I hate going to the gym, and, like Arkandel said up-thread, spending what for me is one-third of my free time in the evening working out is just not something I have been willing to do. However, my partner starts physical therapy for rehabilitation after back surgery next week, and I've already said I'll do the exercises with him so that we can both stay motivated.
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Personally, the best for of weight loss that I've personally done, which was done for a research project in my clinical chemistry classes, is what's known as a sugar detox. Basically, it means that you cut just all sugar and carbs out of your diet for ten days. I'm not going to lie, it's pretty damn extreme, but it allows your system, especially your immune system, to basically do an overall reboot. And we're talking all sugars, even the ones in 'sugar-free' foods. So no sucralose or aspartame or stevia or other sweetener.
It's a lot of meat, seafood, and vegetables. Normally, i wouldn't promote something like, but after losing 15 pounds in ten days, I had to admit it actually worked(and getting a decent amount of extra credit for actually doing it). It's punishing, but it works. Granted, the first four days is a nightmare, because you literally go into a sugar withdraw, which feels like you're trying to go cold-turkey on heroin. Which, surprise surprise, sugar is actually 10 times more addicting than heroin.
I wouldn't normally suggest something like for an actual diet, because ingesting no carbs or sugars for a prolonged amount of time is pretty bad for you too. Which is why it's only meant for ten days.
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@Apollonius said:
I have a friend who's an ectomorph. He can eat 5k Calories a day and still have a difficulty gaining weight. I'd love to exchange 20% of his ectomorphness with 20% of my endomorphness.
My patients burn around 7k a day. I spend my life getting them to eat more of anything! Talking about cake and extra food does not help the dieting
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@Monogram My personal diet is 14 days off carbs/sugars, 1-2 days on, and keeps switching back and forth like that. Its been working so far! I'm down a pant size and working towards dropping another with good results. Yes, its grueling, but its been worth it.
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I have a butt. As in, I have a round ass. Not a flat white girl ass. This is the best thing ever ever because I have always had flat white girl ass. Squat butt for life! I cannot express just how exciting this is.
I missed the talk about carbs. I eat very low carb. No grains, no sugar. I get all my carb in veggie and nut form and fruit is like candy. Especially warm cherries with cream. Omg. The best. Huge salads with every meal. Once you get down to net carbs you can find a lot of delicious. And Quest bars. Oh my lord all the Quest bars forever.
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You likely shouldn't be drinking diet sodas even if you are diabetic; studies suggest that consuming diet sodas may increase insulin resistance.
Which studies? Do you have any links? I've heard this before but the sum total of wading through the studies I have found come down to: Drinking diet soda frequently seems to lead to an unhealthy lifestyle and dietary decisions that contribute to blah blah blah.
Essentially:
Despite accumulating evidence of the existence of these associations , we are cautious not to conclude causality between diet soda and the diabetic or pre-diabetic condition. The possibility of confounding by other dietary and lifestyle/behavioral factors cannot be excluded from these observational studies.
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@HelloRaptor said:
You likely shouldn't be drinking diet sodas even if you are diabetic; studies suggest that consuming diet sodas may increase insulin resistance.
Which studies? Do you have any links? I've heard this before but the sum total of wading through the studies I have found come down to: Drinking diet soda frequently seems to lead to an unhealthy lifestyle and dietary decisions that contribute to blah blah blah.
Considering I never said that I have no idea which studies @BetterJudgment was referring too.
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Sorry, I'd just grabbed the quote and forgot who it was from, apparently. Whups.
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I don't drink soda. I don't have a taste for it nor sweet things in general. That said, if you fry, I will eat the shit out of it.
I run, though my knees are not great and I really need to find something else to do before I end up needing knee surgery. I am angry the whole way through it. Just fucking livid that I'm forced to do this. But it lets me eat fried shit, so I guess it works out.
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Hey I have managed to get control over the diabetes only to find out that now my body is using glucose efficiently I have to watch what I eat even more carefully or I will gain weight ;/
Sucky reward
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Dear bastard fitbit. How is 6 hours of heavy gardening involving chainsaws NOT very active minutes? 1 very active minute? Fuck you, fitbit, fuck you.
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Dear idiot customers, the health monitors are not miracle workers. They're barely not toys.
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Some folks just can't help themselves.
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@HelloRaptor said:
You likely shouldn't be drinking diet sodas even if you are diabetic; studies suggest that consuming diet sodas may increase insulin resistance.
Which studies? Do you have any links? I've heard this before but the sum total of wading through the studies I have found come down to: Drinking diet soda frequently seems to lead to an unhealthy lifestyle and dietary decisions that contribute to blah blah blah.
Essentially:
Despite accumulating evidence of the existence of these associations , we are cautious not to conclude causality between diet soda and the diabetic or pre-diabetic condition. The possibility of confounding by other dietary and lifestyle/behavioral factors cannot be excluded from these observational studies.
We're looking at the same study but drawing different conclusions. What I found later on in the conclusions of that article is that
daily diet soda consumption was associated with significantly greater risks of two metabolic syndrome components (incident high waist circumference and fasting glucose) and type 2 diabetes in this large, multi-ethnic cohort. These results corroborate findings from the Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities and Framingham studies and show that stronger adverse associations exist between diet soda and type 2 diabetes. Diet soda consumption, either independently or in conjunction with other dietary and lifestyle behaviors, may lead to weight gain, impaired glucose control, and eventual diabetes.
Now, my claim that there is some mechanism that links artificial sweeteners with insulin resistance was just sloppy. This study says about that:
Could artificial sweetener (the constituent unique from sugar-sweetened soda) adversely affect biological processes related to insulin resistance, glucose regulation, and adiposity? Over the life of the MESA cohort, several artificial sweeteners for sweetening diet beverages have been used by the soda industry. The sweeteners most commonly used in diet beverages had also changed from the initiation of MESA to the most recent examination. These dynamics make it difficult to attribute our findings to the biological effects of a particular artificial sweetener. Mechanistic studies in randomized, controlled settings addressing how artificial sweeteners consumed from diet beverages affect early markers of metabolic dysfunction are lacking (especially considering true-to-life exposure to multiple sweeteners). Data such as ours and those that preceded ours (1,2), suggest that such research is warranted. Current literature articles provide data on single sweeteners only, mostly aspartame (12,14,16,17,19–24), with a few using saccharin (11,16), and none using sucralose, which was more recently introduced to the beverage market. Only one study used a combination of artificial sweeteners (but did not include sucralose) (15), and no studies were long term nor did they include measures of glycemic control or insulin sensitivity.
So, it could be argued that if you already have type-2 diabetes and are carefully watching your weight and keeping your waist under control (since there does seem to be a association between midsection fat and insulin resistance), then you should be able to drink artificially sweetened sodas without any problems. I still don't drink them, but I had stopped drinking sodas altogether a decade before I developed type-2 diabetes just because I lost my taste for them. I also was never more than 20 lbs. overweight, but that extra weight was and still is at my gut. Probably for me it was a combination of diet, inactivity, and really crappy genetics: only two of seven male siblings including my father lived past age 60, with all of the rest suffering from hypertension and extremely high cholesterol although not all of them were overweight.
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Association and causality are pretty far apart from one another, so that's what I was really curious about.
The number of claims about artificial sweeteners over the years (ZOMG CANCER!) based on wild speculation or misunderstandings has led me to err on the side of caution when new claims come up. Then again, I drink a lot of coke zero, so it's possible the mind control drugs they lace it with are simply having their intended effect.
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@HelloRaptor Absolutely - correlation is not causality. As I read it, Nettleton et al are saying that there is not enough evidence yet to show even that consumption of artificial sweeteners by people who are overweight and have a large waist circumference and waist-to-hip ratio (which has been identified as a positive marker for developing type-2 diabetes - see http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1001230#s3) directly causes the problems with insulin sensitivity or insulin production that are causal factors in developing t2d. Different types of studies need to be done that focus as much as possible on the consumption of diet sodas/artificial sweeteners in general to demonstrate a causal link.
However, my take on this remains that avoiding or limiting diet sodas (and artificial sweeteners in general) is still a good idea for anyone who is diabetic, at least until this identified correlation is more fully investigated. My type-2 diabetes has been under good control for years, but between that, the high blood pressure and high cholesterol that go along with that, and chronic irritable bowel syndrome* that is brought on in part by artificial sweeteners, I find managing my diet to be a real pain in the ass. People that have to do that and take insulin (which I don't yet) likely must find it to be far worse. If avoiding something that has no nutritional value or known benefits might help, I'm for it.
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* Yes, I'm fully aware of the humor inherent in someone with my charming personality having chronic irritable bowel syndrome. And fuck you. -
I just don't like soda that much, with or without sugar. I tend to drink water or juice when I can be bothered to remember to buy them.
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No thread about fitness should go without at least one mention of the strength training bible.
Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength.
