Fanbase entitlement

[Cupcake]

@Coin: You are welcome on our couch at any time! For you, I will even come out of CoH retirement.

I don't offer that to just anyone, you know. Mmmmhmmm.

[Ganymede]

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

(I usually win it. Along with CoH and Risk. Which tells you what kind of person I am.)

We should play Diplomacy and Acquire. Why let luck have any role whatsoever?

[Cupcake]

@Ganymede: I've actually never played either of those! The closest I've come is Watch the Skies, in the role of the UN Ambassador.

[Ganymede]

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

I've actually never played either of those! The closest I've come is Watch the Skies, in the role of the UN Ambassador.

Diplomacy is a classic Avalon Hill game. You lead nations in pre-WWI Europe vying for power. You start with 3 units (4, if you're Russia), each of which have equal strength. The goal is to capture supply centers (which give you an additional unit if held at the end of a year). The only way to push a unit out of an area is by overwhelming it with a greater number of units. You are given time to write orders (which is the moves you're making), which are then submitted to a reader. All units move essentially at the same time, with orders resolved after all are read. You have to negotiate alliances if you plan to win ... seeing as how you're all equal in power (except for Russia, but it has more territory to cover). And if you really want to win, you need to backstab and break those alliances to take advantage of an ally's weakness.

DO NOT PLAY WITH LOVED ONES.

Acquire is a game of buying and selling stocks, building businesses, and making money. You make money when a company is acquired by another: you can sell the stocks of the acquired company, which are valued based on its size. The randomness is in selecting the tiles that get placed on the board, but there's no dice.

I forgot to add: Civilization. The classic Avalon Hill game is another one with no dice. You succeed by trading commodities and obtaining Civilization cards, which give you bonuses. Advance your empire and win; or die.

[mietze]

We have had Diplomacy at game night before but everyone was too drunk or stuffed with food to break it out. it'll happen eventually!

[Auspice]

I, too, have a copy of Diplomacy. Never played it tho!
(I came across it, unopened, at Goodwill once. $2. Had to nab it.)

[Ganymede]

@Auspice said in Fanbase entitlement:

I, too, have a copy of Diplomacy. Never played it tho!

I played a lot of Diplomacy as a kid.

Now, I'm a lawyer.

These two facts may or may not correlate, or have any bearing on my inherent trustworthiness. It is, however, one of the best games I've ever played.

[Karmageddon]

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

I like to think that if Cobain were alive now, and someone said "You should only be able to wear Nirvana t-shirts if you can name some of their songs" near him, they would be the immediate recipient of his saliva smacking their forehead.

Regardless of whether or not a still-alive Cobain would take action about it, I'm confident that he would think that t-shirt shaming bartender was behaving like an asshole. I could definitely see Courtney Love doing something about it. Something that probably resulted in her being arrested.

Further, talking about posers, I know a ton of people who can name every Nirvana song, own every album, know all the lyrics, and still fail to see the forest for the trees when it comes to the messages that Cobain was expressing. People who treat others like fucking crap, people who have told others to "killy ourself", pressured them to drug use, used them, abused them, turned around and blamed Courtney Love for driving Cobain to suicide and then actually gaslit their S.O., and many, many other things that, if you actually listen to Nirvana, consider their social commentary, you would know are pretty fucking incongruent with the band's general message.

Cobain was a bundle of contradictions. He opted not to tour for most of 1992, even though Nirvana was arguably the most in-demand band at that time. It's been heavily documented that fame squicked him out and that he hated the cult of celebrity idolatry, so it's possible that people wearing Nirvana t-shirts would weird him out. He'd still take the merchandising revenue, though, because he also had an intense fear of being impoverished.

I'm still confident that he'd think that bartender was behaving like an asshole.

How dare you tell people how to live their lives when they aren't doing shit to you? And how fucking lame is it to have to insult people for shit that is innocuous as fuck?
Have some perspective.

Going back to the image that prompted my initial comment, that bartender comes across, to me, like a condescending ass, which, frankly, I think is far worse than someone wearing a t-shirt. Even some Twinkie allowance needing person wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

At least get mad at actual idiots, like people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts but can't even revolt against their parents. "Viva la revolución, mom, now can you send me my allowance, my Twinky supply is low". Fuck.

Maybe Twinkie person does a lot of humanitarian work, or is politically engaged to champion the downtrodden, or is otherwise actively involved in ways to improve the conditions that initially radicalized Che in the first place. I'd say that person is truer to the spirit of Che than someone who doesn't have the luxury of asking for Twinkie money but who nonetheless is nothing more than an armchair radical who doesn't actually do anything to improve anything. (I realize this could very easily turn into a socioeconomic discussion about the psychological impact of long-standing oppression and why a person may or may not have the time/energy/ability to do more than gripe. An armchair radical is still and armchair radical, though, whatever the reasons.)

Or maybe that person just likes the artistry of the photo. (It's a great photo.)

As an aside, Biblia sounds awesome. May he still be rocking wherever the departed may rock.

[Coin]

@Karmageddon said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

At least get mad at actual idiots, like people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts but can't even revolt against their parents. "Viva la revolución, mom, now can you send me my allowance, my Twinky supply is low". Fuck.

Maybe Twinkie person does a lot of humanitarian work, or is politically engaged to champion the downtrodden, or is otherwise actively involved in ways to improve the conditions that initially radicalized Che in the first place. I'd say that person is truer to the spirit of Che than someone who doesn't have the luxury of asking for Twinkie money but who nonetheless is nothing more than an armchair radical who doesn't actually do anything to improve anything. (I realize this could very easily turn into a socioeconomic discussion about the psychological impact of long-standing oppression and why a person may or may not have the time/energy/ability to do more than gripe. An armchair radical is still and armchair radical, though, whatever the reasons.)

I thought it was clear I was hyperbolizing, and in general meant 'people who have no idea who he was or whose lifestyle and opinions don't mesh with what his message was, but still wear his face'.

Or maybe that person just likes the artistry of the photo. (It's a great photo.)

I suppose. And if that's the case, sure. But then again, they most likely bought the shirt, which means it was the product of a capitalist action, which Che would have probably at least sneered at.

Then again, if they printed the shirt out themselves, I wouldn't have a thing to say.

But my POINT is, even if I DID run into someone with a Che shirt, I probably wouldn't try to quizz them on him.

They'd lose anyway. And also feel inadequate when I revealed I was wearing a Trotsky shirt.

As an aside, Biblia sounds awesome. May he still be rocking wherever the departed may rock.

He's probably sitting in the corner smoking a joint going, 'yeah, man, yeah'. He was super mellow.

[Karmageddon]

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Karmageddon said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

At least get mad at actual idiots, like people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts but can't even revolt against their parents. "Viva la revolución, mom, now can you send me my allowance, my Twinky supply is low". Fuck.

Maybe Twinkie person does a lot of humanitarian work, or is politically engaged to champion the downtrodden, or is otherwise actively involved in ways to improve the conditions that initially radicalized Che in the first place. I'd say that person is truer to the spirit of Che than someone who doesn't have the luxury of asking for Twinkie money but who nonetheless is nothing more than an armchair radical who doesn't actually do anything to improve anything. (I realize this could very easily turn into a socioeconomic discussion about the psychological impact of long-standing oppression and why a person may or may not have the time/energy/ability to do more than gripe. An armchair radical is still and armchair radical, though, whatever the reasons.)

I thought it was clear I was hyperbolizing, and in general meant 'people who have no idea who he was or whose lifestyle and opinions don't mesh with what his message was, but still wear his face'.

Judging by my reply, no. Not for me, anyway. No worries.

Or maybe that person just likes the artistry of the photo. (It's a great photo.)

I suppose. And if that's the case, sure. But then again, they most likely bought the shirt, which means it was the product of a capitalist action, which Che would have probably at least sneered at.

Agreed.

Then again, if they printed the shirt out themselves, I wouldn't have a thing to say.

But my POINT is, even if I DID run into someone with a Che shirt, I probably wouldn't try to quiz them on him.

Again, agreed. I still might have a negative opinion about it, whatever its intensity, if I knew they were coming from a place I felt was questionable or missing the point, but I don't care enough to find out. Or to give them shit about it. I also wouldn't linger on it or get bent out of shape or whatever. Once upon a time, though, that bartender would've looked tame in comparison to the frothing, righteously indignant teenager and young adult I was.

They'd lose anyway. And also feel inadequate when I revealed I was wearing a Trotsky shirt.

You're assuming they'd recognize him and know who he was/what he did. (I'm also assuming you're not being hyperbolic.)

As an aside, Biblia sounds awesome. May he still be rocking wherever the departed may rock.

He's probably sitting in the corner smoking a joint going, 'yeah, man, yeah'. He was super mellow.

Word.

[Autumn]

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

I suppose. And if that's the case, sure. But then again, they most likely bought the shirt, which means it was the product of a capitalist action, which Che would have probably at least sneered at.

Now I kind of want to put the Che photo on an iPhone case, just to maximize the cognitive dissonance.

[Karmageddon]

@Autumn
Or you could just buy one already made.

[Autumn]

Once again, my imagination lags behind the actual level of cynicism in the world.

[Karmageddon]

I feel a bit embarrassed to not have expected as much variety as that web search found -- and I'm very much a cynic.

[Auspice]

My favorite iPhone case is the one that has 'CAPITALISM SUCKS' printed across it.

Seen a number of pics of the 16-18 crowd with that.

[ThatGuyThere]

Mostly off topic but i have to cheer that Diplomacy was mentioned.
Did not discover that game until college but played it a ton there.
That game is responsible for some of my longest friendships, at least a couple brawls in dorm hallways, and one breakup. I am not sure I would ever play it again but I am glad it had a part in my life.

[Thenomain]

It's interesting to see the thread turn into when it's okay to express entitlement.

As was mentioned early on, not all entitlement is bad, even though it's pretty cliche that a lot, perhaps even most, entitlement is negative.

[Misadventure]

Has the term, rather than the state, moved towards negative use only?

Other than organizational statements, I can only think of "You are entitled to your opinion" as positively phrased.

[SG]

@Ganymede I think a diplomacy mush would be a hoot. Have each turn take a week, with RP focused around the negotiations.

You could have the leaders be randomized amongst the player base, so you're never sure just how crazy Dear Leader is as extra players could be cabinet members trying to negotiate alliances only to have Dear Leader submit orders to the contrary.

Finally, IC and OOC aggrevation are the goals of the game!

[Insomnia]

When I was a kid, I wanted a Transformer, my parents got be a Gobot for Christmas. It was one of the ones that were part of a bigger robot. I got the left arm and it was orange.

Couldn't name it if I tried.