Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff
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I will just warn to be careful if you or your partner have anemia. I tried the vegetarian thing for a while and even with supplements, just could not manage to get enough iron in my diet.
However, I also have hypothyroidism, so I have to avoid a number of greens (spinach, kale, broccoli) except in small amounts because they can imbalance that if I'm not careful.
But! This book: https://www.amazon.com/How-All-Vegan-Irresistible-Animal-Free/dp/1551520672 is awesome. Even back on my omnivore diet, I love it. They're vegan recipes that are really great. Their spinach-artichoke dip is my go-to.
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I don't think iron's a problem. My supplements purportedly give me 100% of my recommended dosage of iron. Otherwise, I'm pretty fond of tomatoes, quinoa, prunes, and apricots.
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@Ganymede said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
Totally serious, but does anyone want to try a plant-based diet with me?
Truth: I just saw the documentary "What the Health?" on Netflix. My partner and I saw a similar documentary last year, and her current medical (sort of) school is run by Seventh-Day Adventists. We want to try a plant-based diet now -- vegan -- despite the fact that I'm allergic to nuts and legumes.
Anyone have any recipes, if they are already doing this? Share some successes?
Trying to do vegan while being allergic to nuts is a good way to fuck yourself over due to lack of protein.
Just saying.
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Getting close to a three plate deadlift and a two plate squat. The numbers are still shitty but itfeelsgoodman.
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Seconding @Lithium. I tried this at one point, many years ago. Doctor and nutritionist's supervision and everything. Apparently, I am meant to be as much the carnivore as possible. We could not find a balance that worked, even with some absurd costs in supplements and such to try to help balance things.
Weirdly, my body processes cholesterol very effectively. I get liver stones but they pass quickly while small. Despite being overweight, other than blood pressure (which is on the high side of normal -- drinking 2 pots of coffee and smoking a pack of 12 cloves a day, no less), the hospital stay involved all the testing, and they were genuinely shocked by how ideal my numbers were. Blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. All not just normal, but good. It baffled the hell out of them, re: 'then how the hell are you a fat person!?' They expected very, very different results... and they were running all of these tests twice daily to check on all the things constantly. (Blood sugar was 6x/day, even.)
So, uh, this is the roundabout way of saying: YMMV, I'm a weird example apparently, but be prepared to run into some unexpected weirdness if you try it and keep in close contact with a nutritionist to monitor at least for a while as you start out, it can make a really big difference.' I almost passed out while driving once during this period, so... yeah. It's not just potentially feeling sick or not being at completely ideal vitamin levels to be careful about.
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@surreality said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
they were genuinely shocked by how ideal my numbers were. Blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. All not just normal, but good. It baffled the hell out of them, re: 'then how the hell are you a fat person!?' They expected very, very different results... and they were running all of these tests twice daily to check on all the things constantly. (Blood sugar was 6x/day, even.)
Aside from my blood sugar, which is bad right now due to the steroids I had to take during chemo (before that it was good, just needed insulin once every few months), it's the same with me. Kidneys, liver, cholesterol, blood pressure, etc, all good, always surprises the docs, especially since the cancer was everywhere. When I try to go veg/vegan my blood sugar swings wildly, and I am of course allergic to soy so have few protein sources. I basically have to eat carb-free a few days a week, which is nice since we go do korean bbq.
I was a thin diabetic and am a heavier diabetic, am hoping that time and diet will counteract the steroids.
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@Paris I do ridiculously well on Atkins or similar diets. Which is like... all the meat meat meat meat. I drop weight like mad and all the numbers improve from where they are, when they're already dang good. I am apparently hardwired for tasty, tasty murder.
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@surreality said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
@Paris I do ridiculously well on Atkins or similar diets. Which is like... all the meat meat meat meat. I drop weight like mad and all the numbers improve from where they are, when they're already dang good. I am apparently hardwired for tasty, tasty murder.
Yeah, same. I'm really pissed about the steroids, I was down to 150 lbs, my glucose was at about 130, and eating this way; now am up to 190 (seven infusions made me gain 40 lbs in 6 months) and my blood sugar is just now starting to stabilize from 500 to 250ish. Eating higher-carb puts me in the 380 range, argh.
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If you're ever in vegas I should totes take you to this bbq spot, it's sooo good.
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@Lithium said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
Trying to do vegan while being allergic to nuts is a good way to fuck yourself over due to lack of protein.
Nuts and legumes.
Still, nutrition has changed since the last time I went vegan/vegetarian. Quinoa is produced enough that it's actually not too expensive. I'm surprised that durum wheat seems to be decently high in protein, along with brown rice. And couscous? Didn't see that coming.
This isn't an ideological thing; this is a can I do it? thing. If I can't, I can't -- I'm not going to cry. If I can, though, I will try it, and it may have some positive health benefits for me.
Won't really know 'til I give it a shot.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Ganymede said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
@Lithium said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
Trying to do vegan while being allergic to nuts is a good way to fuck yourself over due to lack of protein.
Nuts and legumes.
Still, nutrition has changed since the last time I went vegan/vegetarian. Quinoa is produced enough that it's actually not too expensive. I'm surprised that durum wheat seems to be decently high in protein, along with brown rice. And couscous? Didn't see that coming.
This isn't an ideological thing; this is a can I do it? thing. If I can't, I can't -- I'm not going to cry. If I can, though, I will try it, and it may have some positive health benefits for me.
Won't really know 'til I give it a shot.
Spinach is surprisingly high in protein.
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@Ganymede There's some stuff with quinoa that has me eating less of it than I might otherwise. There's a lot produced, but it's produced for export in such volumes that the local populations for whom it was long a staple, and still produce it today, have apparently had some issues because of it, having somewhat limited options regionally and economically. I am enough of a bleeding heart to have cut back a bit on it for that reason, anyway.
Oh fucking well.
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@surreality said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
I am enough of a bleeding heart to have cut back a bit on it for that reason, anyway.
I can understand that, but, as I said, this is less about ideology and more about whether I can do it. Weighing the benefits of getting off of flesh meat -- not to mention how it may affect my carbon footprint -- is also on my mind. I might keep to what I'm doing with a "break" day every week.
The ultimate argument of logic in the film I saw was how, physiologically, humans are closer to true vegetarians than omnivores. That caused me to look at some of the cited studies in the film, and I found myself wondering more and more as to what a shift would do for me.
@Paris said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
Spinach is surprisingly high in protein.
I like spinach, but I added kale to my lettuce instead. If I can stomach kale, spinach ought to be really easy.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Ganymede I will admit, there's this spinach and quinoa thing my mother makes once in a while for 'classic family Sunday dinner' that's pretty epic. I have no idea what else is in it, but if she tells me, I'll pass it along. (Not sure if it has anything else in it that's verboten; it sometimes ends up with romano cheese on top but it doesn't require that.)
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@Paris said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
Spinach is surprisingly high in protein.
That, it's iron content, and a translation error of a study is why people thought spinach was ridiculously good for you in the early 20th century and led to Popeye using it like steroids.
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Didn't eat enough yesterday.
Put off eating too long today.Now I'm too far past hunger that it's hard to make myself eat, ugh.
My migraine meds have negated my sense of hunger, so I have to remind myself to eat, except I've always been bad about that. So it's down to setting reminders. But I get caught up in work or homework, so I'll make food, then forget it... or I'll just be so not-hungry from the meds that it'll take me hours to eat it and so on.
And then have days like today. I feel like shit because of the anemia, so I need to eat, but that 'feel like shit' state makes it hard to eat.
Now I know why, when I was reading up on these meds, it said they're, in rare cases, used to treat obesity.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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I did raw and vegan for a bit. Forks over Knives has some good plant based meals in it. I'm not sure I want to go vegetarian right now (I might in a few months), but I could be a food buddy if you want. I'd be happy to go pull some of my old recipes and such. I also HATE most nuts and beans, so I feel for you. Mushrooms have a lot of protein and if memory serves correctly, Jackfruit does too. I am also borderline anemic and when I was doing raw/vegan I felt AMAZING. I'm just not know because I moved cross country, lost my savings/career, work part time and all that starting over stuff; so it's not a good time for me.
That said, I support any decision that you feel will make you a healthier you. So let me know if I can help at all, even if it's just cheerleading you on.
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Migraine meds were awesome.
I mean minus the inability to drink soda anymore, paresthesia, lack of hunger signal....
They were awesome. 1-2 migraines a week? I was living again (mostly)!
... I'm on migraine #3 this week.
Shit.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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Bad news: my spine is messed up and has been for days, and the pain is incredible. My back left wisdom tooth also cracked and is trying to infect, also painful, and is triggering migraines. This is why I am not on F&L much right now, I am so doped up.
Good news: the DA took one look at us at court when we showed up to contest our unconstitutional tickets, and she visibly winced, and dismissed them with no contest, no fine, no warning, nothing. So now we are free to, step 2, seek an injunction against the cops so we can work without harassment, while we wait for step 3, the lawsuit that we are bringing. All this because we draw faces, ohnoes.
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Someone I barely know, who wrote a supplement for the tabletop book I freelanced on, noticed that I tend to get depressed (for lack of a better way to describe it) and not cook or eat properly for weeks until it passes, so she randomly bought me a toaster oven and a rice cooker.
Eating proper food while in a general mood where I don't even want to move or exist sometimes has been really helpful. I've been in a generally good mood lately.
Normally eating while in these weeks long phases isn't a huge problem, since with a microwave I just eat frozen dinners forever, but the microwave exploded a few months ago by shooting electricity repeatedly at a bag of popcorn and setting it on fire.
But now I can eat somewhat decent food, and I can even learn to bake in some minor ways, so I'm pretty excited. It just makes everything easier, and I don't feel overwhelmed by, y'know, having to feed myself.
