Mar 9, 2015, 1:36 PM

@Coin said:

@HelloRaptor

You still sort of get exactly what you're talking about here, it's just not innate.

Mmm, unless you're a very combaty Vampire (I'd even specify a Gangrel with ze claws) I wouldn't bet on you beating a comparable Werewolf one on one in 2.0. A pack? No, a pack will just tear a big hole through anywhere near the same numbers of Vampires.