May 28, 2018, 3:05 PM
San Francisco: Paris of the West
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@rucket most of the gear in the armory books is fine. The merits are different. Some of the merits are fine and in fact there is two concepts in particular that are so suboptimal as to be useless in wod without the fs merits provided in armory reloaded. There is tons of item content that is not covered in the corerule book, why do you think armory was so quickly releeased after the core rulebook. Rulebook was designed to have enough items to run a basic mortal horror story. Armory was designed for more invovled long running campaigns.
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So I said...
@rucket said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
And let's be honest, if people got Staff to cave on adding a few equipment items from those books, then they'd start wanting more. And more.
And then you said...
@magee101 said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
Some of the merits are fine and in fact there is two concepts in particular that are so suboptimal as to be useless in wod without the fs merits provided in armory reloaded.
Also your use of the word "suboptimal" just tells me you want some of the broken toys to make some crazy min-max characters with.
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@rucket said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
So I said...
@rucket said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
And let's be honest, if people got Staff to cave on adding a few equipment items from those books, then they'd start wanting more. And more.
And then you said...
@magee101 said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
Some of the merits are fine and in fact there is two concepts in particular that are so suboptimal as to be useless in wod without the fs merits provided in armory reloaded.
Also your use of the word "suboptimal" just tells me you want some of the broken toys to make some crazy min-max characters with.
Except my crazy broken toys I would want is sword and shield and spetzna (which yes that one is a little broken but is the only viable way to make a knife using mortal that can contend with supers). So how about rather than throwing shade at individuals as discussion topics we regard ourselves to the contents of the books and take your unfounded remarks to hogpit? K thanks.
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@magee101 Why should a knife wielding mortal be /able/ to contend with supers?
I mean... Mortals are only supposed to contend with supers by leveraging the supers disadvantages...
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@lithium By contend I mostly mean able to decently defend themselves not neccisarily match or overpower. Should they? Not really no but if you have been in the wod community the main arguments are about mortal vs. Super and how underpowered mortals are. I think this is somewhat valid. Not everyone wants to play the wiley wit heavy mortal. They wanna play Dean Winchester, not Sam. I am judt using some general terms and ideals to try and get my point across.
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@magee101 I would say Dean is not a fair analogy since he is clearly not just a mortal. Nor Sam for that matter.
They also always ended up leveraging the supernaturals flaws.
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@lithium well in later seasons this is true but for all we know as viewers at first they are just regular guys. (And there are plenty of mortal splats that are more than mortal as well) and yes but to different degrees. And I still think its quite easy to do that and neccisary to a degree. But I also err on the side of a player enjoying themselves over hard application of theme (note I say err not fully support).
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We've seen this time and time again. Everyone has different opinions. This is where staff needs to have a guiding vision for their game to say "this is our world and here is how it generally works". That's theme. It keeps things together. Yeah, it might not be your preferred method of power level comparison, but it can get everyone on the same page and temper expectations.
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@arkandel said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
@ixokai can we please move the 1E versus 2E discussion elsewhere as @Auspice requested? Feel free to start a new thread if needed.
Wait this is funny , so this idea of cluttering the ad being a bad thing. One line about 2e equipment rules is clutter but all the other stuff is just topics of debate? What's going on here?
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@thatonedude I think it was meant as a general reply. I would certainly prefer it were treated that way.
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Are spirit wolves, dhampir, or other fun birthing abominations available as PCs? May I also gently remind you that Mummy is totes a 1e game?
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@jennkryst said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
Are spirit wolves, dhampir, or other fun birthing abominations available as PCs?
Pleasegodno.
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@jennkryst Mummy is possible at a later date with enough interest and an enthusiastic staff.
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@auspice +42. Spirit Wolves? shudder
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@darc said in San Francisco: Paris of the West:
@jennkryst Mummy is possible at a later date with enough interest and an enthusiastic staff.
ETA: SUPER enthusiastic (see... all the 1e threads where I Kermit-flail to try to get Mumny happening)
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So, I am making Johnny, the raccoon beast Captain of the Guardians for the Freehold. So far everyone has been super nice and Changeling staff has been super open on helping and working with me. High marks for the game from me so far, at least!
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@Jennkryst has been asking for years, and it'd be really nice to see her get a chance to give it a shot if that is on the table. It may work out, it may not, but dang near everything else has at least been tried at some point to find out one way or the other.