Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion

surreality

@Prototart said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

i constructively suggest we all try to get their cringey wod fanfic published as soon as we can so they wander off rather than just hope lightning strikes twice

is that better

I really love you a lot today, just sayin'.

Pandora

@Auspice said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Pandora

I feel like the reasoning is supposed to be 'The people allowed on the server are so good and perfect they'd never ever do anything bad.' or something along those lines.

Nah, @Kestrel is awful but not stupid. The server is going to be full of butthurt ninnies and that's just how the internet works in general, as @mietze just pointed out. I wanna know, will there be a rule added against unsubstantiated witch-hunts before or after someone's reputation is ruined by a scorned ex-TS partner? Will there be a policy in place about reporting instances to staff and not employing vigilante justice? Will there be rules against making bait-alts to get someone to do something skeevy '4 Tha Screenshot'?

Like, make your group, but for the love of all that's good, holy, and well-thought-out, address these issues before your server full of unloaded issues goes full Katamari on some unsuspecting game.

surreality

@Pandora said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

I wanna know, will there be a rule added against unsubstantiated witch-hunts before or after someone's reputation is ruined by a scorned ex-TS partner?

Why bother even setting up the server then. I mean isn't that the actual purpose of discord servers, period?

Auspice

@surreality said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Pandora said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

I wanna know, will there be a rule added against unsubstantiated witch-hunts before or after someone's reputation is ruined by a scorned ex-TS partner?

Why bother even setting up the server then. I mean isn't that the actual purpose of discord servers, period?

Well, I mean, almost all the Discord servers I'm on currently are for 'game clan' type things for vidja games. Or RL groups to chat when we aren't together and to plan get-togethers.

EDIT: Oh, wait! I am on the Ares one, but that's mostly Fara sharing updates and code q's.

surreality

@Auspice I'm mostly joking since I've never actually been in any 'terrible' one. Like, unless kitten pictures that make me want kittens and recipes that make me really fucking hungry count? I hear all about these horrible clusterfucks and some part of me is torn between being overwhelmingly grateful and feeling weirdly left out.

Kestrel

As a heads up I'm probably not going to respond to anything that's phrased like an accusation instead of a genuine question.

The last discussion thread about this topic was not engaged in good faith, and I'd like to stick with 'fool me once'.

Couple things:

Game staff are welcome to join this server. We currently have two main moderators (me and one other person), and two game-specific moderators.

Game-specific moderators do not have any moderating privs except for the specific game channel they've been assigned to. The assumption is that they have that game's best interests at heart and are looking to create a better community for their specific game. They may want to help new players, prevent someone from using the channel to out in-game secrets, etc. If that's you, you can have complete control over how your game's channel is being run.

So if any game staff out there are concerned about this but are willing to abide by in-house rules and don't have a reputation for being part of the problem, you're welcome to join and ensure for yourself that discussion relating to your game remains positive.

surreality

@Kestrel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

The last discussion thread about this topic was not engaged in good faith

Glad to see you're at least admitting it now!

Auspice

@Kestrel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

don't have a reputation for being part of the problem

Out of honest curiousity: how do you judge this? Especially with the large number of games out there and many staffers may be relative unknowns. Is it guess work? What is 'problem' based on?

Would 'I didn't like how they handled my app' cause them to be barred?
Would 'We didn't get along at all' get them barred even if they have otherwise a history of being supportive and well-meaning, just abrasive?

Tinuviel

@Kestrel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

Game-specific moderators do not have any moderating privs except for the specific game channel they've been assigned to.

Are these people part of the leadership hierarchy of the game(s) in question?

Kestrel

@Tinuviel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Kestrel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

Game-specific moderators do not have any moderating privs except for the specific game channel they've been assigned to.

Are these people part of the leadership hierarchy of the game(s) in question?

One of them isn't, one of them is. The reason one of them isn't is that at the time, they were the only person from that game (Sindome) to join the community, and I opened up discussion on their game specifically because they joined.

If Sindome's staff ends up joining this community I'm sure they won't mind stepping aside to let the game's staff moderate in their stead. In the meantime, that person has been doing an excellent job of advocating for the game in question and encouraging other members to get curious about checking it out.

Ganymede

@Kestrel

What about games that do not have a presence in your group? Will discussion about those games remain positive? If so, what steps will be taken to ensure that discussion remains positive? What repercussions are there for violating the group’s rules?

Ghost

@Kestrel What happens if for any reason the members of the community wish for you to leave it?

This isn't snark. It's an honest philosophical question.

Kestrel

@Ganymede said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Kestrel

What about games that do not have a presence in your group?

If the game has no presence in the group then I assume it wouldn't end up being discussed. Why would it? If it does end up being discussed extensively, a new channel can be opened, but without knowing anything about the game and its policies, I have no way of making sure its OOC rules are enforced.

I generally believe that a game's rules exist for a reason and I'm not looking to have this community undermine those. I made this community because I wanted to see something better than what currently exists in other game discussion groups.

What repercussions are there for violating the group’s rules?

That depends on the extent and the perceived intention. Step one is generally a friendly discussion explaining why that thing was bad and asking nicely to knock it off. Step two, you can leave.

Pandora

@Kestrel Haven has pretty strict rules against IC/OOC communications, and one of the problems I see coming up, again and again on many games, is that stalking, harassment, bullying, manipulation, etc. that happens outside of a game's in-house systems (mail, pages, messenger) is nearly impossible for staff to police.

You're now accepting the burden of being yet one more place where vulnerable people are wearing a target on their back without the protection of staff aid should things go pear-shaped, so what plan do you have in place for when inevitable receipts get back to people and they go on the offensive? Remember, one person's skeevy jackass is another person's current manipulating TS partner - Logs. Are. Going. To. Be. Shared.

surreality

If the old school IGU folks were running this, I would actually have given it a half-decent chance of meeting some success.

Ganymede

@Kestrel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

That depends on the extent and the perceived intention. Step one is generally a friendly discussion explaining why that thing was bad and asking nicely to knock it off. Step two, you can leave.

Suppose for a moment a poster says something defamatory about a game. Another member speaks out against it. An argument arises. How do you address the allegedly defamatory statement? What about the speaker and the defender?

Rinel

@Pandora said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

Hurricane Isaac had me grilling the meat in my powerless freezer in my backyard in 109 degree New Orleans weather while standing on a ladder because my house and yard were fucking flooded.

Wait. Were you in LaPlace? I don't remember NOLA getting that much water.

Also I feel like a lot of people are assuming posters on the Hog Pit thread who were defending this concept are necessarily going to be taking part in it. I, personally, have no intention to do so, so if you're frightened of my insufferable and abusive self leading to the destruction of various MUSHes, you shouldn't be.

Mostly because I'm, y'know, neither important nor influential. But just in case.

Pandora

@Rinel Metairie. Which no one has ever heard of, for good reason, so I always just say Nola.

I don't know where members of the community are coming from, but MSB seems like an odd place to recruit for it, all the same.

mietze

@Pandora my birthdad and brothers live in Houma.

Rinel

There seem to be a vastly disproportionate number of us Louisianans in the hobby.