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I made it about halfway through the first episode of The Orville before my attention started to wander. I never finished it. There was nothing about it that made me want to watch it. The characters weren't interesting, the acting wasn't that great, and the dialog was 'meh'. It is indeed nothing more than Star Trek with potty humor.
Edit: I finally got around to watching Discovery and realized that The Orville is the better of the two shows. I'll have to give it another chance.
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I respect Orville for launching itself into the deep pool of risque with its third episode, frankly.
I am still not sure if they handled it well, but damn, that was bold as fuck.
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I think The Orville is hitting one thing correctly - very correctly - in that Star Trek isn't really about space battles and pew-pew lasers and acrobatics. I mean it can have those but in its heart it's about the narrative of sensitive human issues discussed in a different context.
I didn't dislike Star Trek: Discovery. It has potential. But let's be honest here, they are not going to spend $8 million bucks per episode about a trial discussing ethical dilemmas. It just won't happen, that's a complete waste of that money.
And that's why The Orville is closer to Star Trek. Because it can afford to do these things. The toilet humor is just a plus in my book.
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I just finished binging the first season of one of the most beautiful, CofD/WoD inspiring shows i have ever seen.
Riverdale.
I'm a rodeo clown.
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Riverdale started out being a show I was watching mostly to hate on (which is a thing I do! I gleefully enjoyed hating on the entire run of NBC's terrible version of 'Dracula' a couple years ago), then a show I was enjoying parts of despite the stupidity, and then a show I was just outright enjoying as it embraced its stupidity. -
@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Good TV:
I gleefully enjoyed hating on the entire run of NBC's terrible version of 'Dracula' a couple years ago), then a show I was enjoying parts of despite the stupidity, and then a show I was just outright enjoying as it embraced its stupidity.
I remember that show! Katie McGrath (SHE IS SO PRETTY) and Nonso Anozie were in it (Anozie, imo, is the new Pete Postelthwaite.)
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@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Good TV:
I gleefully enjoyed hating on the entire run of NBC's terrible version of 'Dracula' a couple years ago
That show was such a guilty pleasure. I really enjoyed all the "weird science" elements and am just plain a sucker for most vampire media unless it's of the young adult variety.
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The Inhumans was the worst...thing I've ever experienced.
Whyyyyy.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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I don't get the hate for The Inhumans. It's not a great show, but there are much worse things out there. I mean, i really wish they had given one of my favorite comic book groups better treatment, but at this point, I'm over it.
The Gifted's premiere was all right. Digging Jamie Chun as Clarice (Blink), one of my favorite X-Men characters (long live Exiles, bitces).
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin For me it was the bad acting, the constant and non-stop exposition through dialogue, paper-thin characterisation, what seems to be an absurdly small budget for a superhero series (NASA operate out of an empty warehouse?), the laughably bad special effects (Medusa's hair...). I found them hard to bypass.
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@Coin For me it was the bad acting, the constant and non-stop exposition through dialogue, paper-thin characterisation, what seems to be an absurdly small budget for a superhero series (NASA operate out of an empty warehouse?), the laughably bad special effects (Medusa's hair...). I found them hard to bypass.
See, I just see the same quality of acting I see on most television, the same type of exposition through dialogue, characterization possible through two hours of exposition-laden plot, and ... eh, I didn't think the special effects for Medusa's hair were that bad--it was clearly EXPENSIVE, because they got rid of it right quick enough.
Maybe I'm just used to seeing these things individually and didn't really thinka nything of them all together.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin It's possible it's the bar that's been raised so high after Netflix got in the game and we also got a barrage of blockbuster superhero movies hitting us with their much higher production values.
I just don't see why exposition needs to be rushed; if a full complex plot of a film can be narrated through better storytelling in a 90 minute span then surely they can afford to be just slightly more patient with a TV show which by definition has way more time to feed it to us. Leave some mysteries in there, don't force-feed everything in one go; do we need a teenage Medusa walking in the room with Bolt to explicitly say "I know everyone is afraid of you but I'm not" in so many words or Maximus giving us the 101 on his relationship to her in another 20 second monologue, right in the first episode?
Maybe I'm nitpicking too hard, I dunno. I guess I didn't like it.
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@Coin It's possible it's the bar that's been raised so high after Netflix got in the game and we also got a barrage of blockbuster superhero movies hitting us with their much higher production values.
I just don't see why exposition needs to be rushed; if a full complex plot of a film can be narrated through better storytelling in a 90 minute span then surely they can afford to be just slightly more patient with a TV show which by definition has way more time to feed it to us. Leave some mysteries in there, don't force-feed everything in one go; do we need a teenage Medusa walking in the room with Bolt to explicitly say "I know everyone is afraid of you but I'm not" in so many words or Maximus giving us the 101 on his relationship to her in another 20 second monologue, right in the first episode?
Maybe I'm nitpicking too hard, I dunno. I guess I didn't like it.
Keep in mind that the first two episodes were also written with an IMAX theatrical premiere in mind.
Was that a great decision? Probably not. Did the premiere come off pretty clunky? Sure.
My question is, though, in an age where the adage is basically "you have to give it a few episodes before you judge it" (literally the majority of shows have had this said about them in the past decade) why are people so quick to throw shit under the bus after a poor premiere?
It probably doesn't help that we've been told The Inhumans was gonna suck ass by every media outlet for months now, so you go into it already biased.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin That's possible, sure. And I admit Agents of SHIELD started off as a very procedural (and rather boring) monster-of-the-week show but they improved vastly after Winter Soldier came out.
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Inhumans was interesting in that I found myself stifling a lot of laughter during supposedly dramatic moments. Blue Bolt's flashback just had me rolling with laughter in the same way a backseat firearm discharge in Pulp Fiction cracked me up. Although in Pulp Fiction i had the sick realization I was laughing at someone literally losing their head. Inhumans didn't really have that effect, I just couldn't stop laughing and the realization of the source and presentation made it even funnier to me.
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I just dug into the Inhumans in the first two episodes last night and I saw the same thing that I saw at the beginning of shows like Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl and so on.
A show produced for as little as possible at the outset and then made more inexpensive in case the series does not work out. Which is probably why they got rid of Medusa's hair, and they show cased it those two times that they did so people knew it was "magic hair;" and why NASA was in a garage and consisted of a whole 2 employees. I think this actually hurt the show far more than anything else.
Additionally, these are actors new to their roles and new to each other so I did not expect something spectacular the first few episodes going in. And reading some behind the scenes stuff I am at least glad to see the actors are dedicated to the characters, especially the guy doing Black Bolt. IF it can make it past first season growing pains and not get cancelled there is a lot of potential for the show.
I can not say the same for Gifted. I suspect that will be a 1 season run. But we shall see.
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Star Trek: Discovery is seriously winning me over.
The first double episode made it look like too much of an action-based series for me, and it doesn't always feel like Trek, but just judging it by its own merit it's actually pretty damn good. The serious $$ they're pouring into it doesn't hurt production values either, the SFX look good.
It's ... different than the Trek shows we know though, so far there's either no formula or when it starts to follow one ("Captain, we've received a distress call...") it takes us into a whole new direction than we have in the past. Even the Captain himself is nothing like the kindly, peace-loving Starfleet officers we've known from past series.
Thankfully The Orville is there to satisfy those cravings in the mean time while Discovery does its own thing.
(Oh, and if you're not watching this @surreality... you should. There's a character in it whose anti-hero's journey will remind you of a certain pirate captain.)
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@arkandel I am enjoying discovery the only part I dislike so far is the redesign on the Klingon appearance but it's hardly the first time they've ever been redesigned. Otherwise though... I love the captain's actor and the personality he has, as well as the 'main' character.
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@arkandel I am actually liking it, indeed.
Also, for a war-focused society, the Klingons have the best art department ever, holy hot damn. Do you think it was something like Hitler a la Eddie Izzard?
Oh fucking well.
