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@auspice said in Good TV:

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@derp said in Good TV:

@aria said in Good TV:

I'm two episodes into "Troy: Fall of City" and I can't decide whether it's objectively just not very good or if my recurring sentiment of ".......You cancelled Marco Polo but decided to pay for this?" is just spoiling everything for me.

Same, but with Sense8. Troy is crap so far.

I can understand them canceling Sense8. It had a relatively small audience and cost 9 million dollars an episode.

They had a similar excuse for Marco Polo. 'It didn't have a lot of viewers and was expensive to make.'

I imagine Troy has a similar cost range and, at the reviews it's getting, will have even fewer viewers.

Hence the ire some of us have. Marco Polo at least was a new story (Troy has been rehashed a lot) and it was done well for 'as few' viewers as it had.

The whole point is that Sense8 and Marco Polo were about as expensive in their initial seasons, but Marco Polo had even smaller viewer numbers.

It wasn't even that good. I mean, it was fun, but it really should've been called The Misadventures of Kublai Khan and his Whacky White Buddy.

[Arkandel]

@wildbaboons said in Good TV:

but did they make Troy or just buy the rights to it?

I'm pretty sure the Illiad's in the public domain by now.

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@arkandel said in Good TV:

@wildbaboons said in Good TV:

but did they make Troy or just buy the rights to it?

I'm pretty sure the Illiad's in the public domain by now.

I am pretty sure they're asking if Netflix made the show or just bought the rights to it like they do with a lot of other stuff. Not everything that says Netflix Original is actually by Netflix, they just dumped money and bought it for airing. I can give you examples later, but juast off the top of my head--Shadowhunters.

[Lithium]

@coin Knights of Sidonia was another. There's a fair few foreign stuff that is supposedly: Netflix Original which is not.

Like outside of America, Netflix had the rights to Star Trek: Discovery, and it had Netflix Original tags. Clearly not true.

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@lithium said in Good TV:

@coin Knights of Sidonia was another. There's a fair few foreign stuff that is supposedly: Netflix Original which is not.

Like outside of America, Netflix had the rights to Star Trek: Discovery, and it had Netflix Original tags. Clearly not true.

Yep. I watched it on Netflix. Legion, too.

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Netflix is give and take.

They hurt us by canceling Marco Polo, but reward us by canceling Sense8.

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@arkandel said in Good TV:

@derp I had the misfortune of reading through the comments section on a Troy review when I was curious about the show. A lot of posts were about 'Hollywood rewriting characters for affirmative action, lol, they made Achilles bisexual'.

Motherfuckers, have you read the Illiad?

bisexuals get affirmative action, now?

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@kanye-qwest said in Good TV:

@arkandel said in Good TV:

@derp I had the misfortune of reading through the comments section on a Troy review when I was curious about the show. A lot of posts were about 'Hollywood rewriting characters for affirmative action, lol, they made Achilles bisexual'.

Motherfuckers, have you read the Illiad?

bisexuals get affirmative action, now?

Only if you're homophobic and haven't been paying attention to anything.

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I thought Achilles was gay? Or did I read the Illiad wrong? Making him bisexual seems kind of pointless.

[Kanye Qwest]

@admiral It's hard to claim you are a descendant of Achilles if he didn't at least occasionally stick in the away team.

[Arkandel]

@admiral said in Good TV:

I thought Achilles was gay? Or did I read the Illiad wrong? Making him bisexual seems kind of pointless.

The term didn't exist at the time Homer was alive (and for centuries later) so there's no way to answer that question. Someone's sexual preference wasn't a defining characteristic for them at all.

There were basically two taboos. The first makes sense - as a married male it was part of your civic duty to be willing and able to father children, since cities needed people. So you still had to perform with your wife no matter your preferences, at least to that extent.

The other taboo ranges from pretty iffy to really creepy because it was frowned upon to be the passive half of a homosexual relationship as an adult man since it was considered a submissive trait, which in turn was seen as a feminine quality. But hey, that's okay because that was okay if there was a large enough age gap! That's what mentoring those boys entailed... so... yeah.

But yeah, anyway. Achilles wasn't bi or gay or anything since the term made no sense for the time.

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@arkandel said in Good TV:

But hey, that's okay because that was okay if there was a large enough age gap! That's what mentoring those boys entailed... so... yeah.

Not necessarily boys though. See the Sacred Band of Thebes.

[Arkandel]

@tnp Customs differed between city-states, for sure. But also keep in mind that their mindset at the time was completely different than the modern one, and so were their hangups.

This is mostly about males since that's what we simple have more information about, but love was written as divided between the 'higher' and 'baser' kind, where the former was between men because it was emotional and not of the flesh (since, after all, it was frowned upon).

Where this all gets really creepy by our standards - and waaay out of this thread's scope - is that boys were expected to be chosen to be mentored by an older man who, if their family thought he was worthy, would train them in hunting, buy them their first breastplate and a goblet.

Anyway. Yeah. Different times.

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@arkandel said in Good TV:

it was frowned upon to be the passive half of a homosexual relationship as an adult man since it was considered a submissive trait, which in turn was seen as a feminine quality.

I don't remember this being frowned upon so much. Plato and other philosophers talked about it at some length, especially as it pertained to the original idea of soulmates and the three genders.

Romans, though, for sure thought it had some anti-virtus qualities, but it wasn't, like, actively persecuted. Mostly just snickered at. Which is how Julius Caesar initially got a bad rap while he was banging the king of Bythinia.

[Kanye Qwest]

So like, Westworld. That hour long episode felt really short and I'm mad I can't just binge the whole season netflix style

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The 100 premiere is tonight.

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@derp said in Good TV:

I don't remember this being frowned upon so much. Plato and other philosophers talked about it at some length, especially as it pertained to the original idea of soulmates and the three genders.

It definitely depends on who you read. Also different cities disparaged each other for propaganda purposes, Corinth was supposed to be the most liberal city of antiquity, etc.

The part I was referring to is touched upon briefly here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece#Love_between_adult_men .

Anyway, I'll stop going off topic before someone sics the moderators on me.

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OMG AND IT ISN'T EVEN MY BIRTHDAY!

http://deadline.com/2018/04/sense8-series-finale-date-set-netflix-lana-wachowski-lilly-wachowski-1202375635/

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Second best season premiere so far, after the Mountain Men introduction.

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Troy was pretty "ehhh" for me, it passed the time. But in fairness, it was filmed as a mini-series and a one shot deal. I think. I mean, they could opt for the Odyssey. And Odysseus was at least one of the more interesting characters to follow. I wish they'd followed up on some of the aftermath though, like what Agamemnon has waiting for him back home.

Into the Badlands also started back up this week, and I don't think I will ever stop living this show. The visuals, the choreography, the storyline, it's one of the few shows I will sit up to watch live at airing.