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@too-old-for-this said in Good TV:
@greenflashlight So, sadly, this is never really portrayed in any of the shows. Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Smallville, even the animated Superman... their posture, tone of voice, body language, even the way they walk... never changes between Clark Kent & Superman. At most you will see Clark Kent acting slightly more bewildered than Superman. So really, they've done a terrible job of portraying Clark Kent across every show, movie, and cartoon since 1978. Christopher Reeves is the ONLY true Superman specifically because he's the ONLY one to showcase the difference between Clark and Superman. If you ever watch Batman: TAS or Superman: TAS or even Justice League... anytime you see Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent in the same room, Clark damn near alpha-challenges Bruce every time. Like they full-on mangrip handshake and glare at one another, often with Clark scowling as if he's two seconds away from laser-gazing Bruce right out of existence. Its... pretty ridiculous. Which is why there is now the constant 'how tf do people not SEE that this is just Superman in glasses and a cheap suit?!'.
Brandon Routh did it excellently in Superman Returns, but mostly because he was literally doing Christopher Reeves as Clark Kent/Superman.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@coin That's fair. Okay, So Christopher Reeves and Brandon Routh. I will accept either of them. Anyone else is just pretending.
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Like I said, I haven't seen the new series, but I loved Tyler Hoechlin's scenes in Supergirl. I bet I'd love him in this show too. He wasn't brilliant at switching characters the way Reeves was, but I found his shift between Clark and Superman charming.
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@too-old-for-this said in Good TV:
@coin That's fair. Okay, So Christopher Reeves and Brandon Routh. I will accept either of them. Anyone else is just pretending.
It's probably just nostalgia but I quite enjoyed the first couple of seasons of Lois and Clark when I first watched it.
That said, Dean Cain these days... meh.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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@arkandel So... I have thoughts about Dean Cain. I think he did an excellent portrayal of a very wholesome and excellent Clark Kent. But there was still just.. no transition between Clark and Superman. His 'mean face' was reminiscent of kidSimba trying to roar in the Lion King. You just kinda want to giggle and pat him on the head for being so cute. I also have to call him out for being a super confident Clark Kent. His posture, the way he held himself, the way he spoke to people. He was confident, charming, even occasionally witty. All things that Clark Kent should not be. And after a few seasons, Clark Kent was sexy. They stopped using the baggier, frumpier clothes and started putting him in nicely tailored suits. Instead of the nerdy hair cut, it was slicked back and styled (just like when he was Superman). Like the show couldn't handle a boring, frumpy, nerdy Clark. That's why Percy White outright laughed when someone suggested to him that Clark and Superman shared a surprising number of physical characteristics. Clark Kent was so far from Superman socially that it was laughable for anyone to think the two were the same person.
Realistically, what they need is someone who has vaudeville training to play Clark Kent/Superman. Someone that can handle being bumbling and accident-prone in funny ways, endearingly nerdy, who will cause you aggravation and laughs at his expense. Its a dying art. But who can straighten up and square his shoulders and slick his hair back and take off his glasses and BAM! Superman. Gene Kelly would have been an excellent Superman in his day.
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@too-old-for-this said in Good TV:
Gene Kelly would have been an excellent Superman in his day.
Or Nicolas Cage!
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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@arkandel I know that he's a very well-trained actor and I have no doubt his range could extend to both, but I still struggle to see Ol' Crazy Eyes playing Superman. XD
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@too-old-for-this said in Good TV:
I know that he's a very well-trained actor and I have no doubt his range could extend to both, but I still struggle to see Ol' Crazy Eyes playing Superman. XD
He already has.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede You know, I didn't even think of cameo appearances. Its too hard to get a good grasp on how they would handle the duality of the character from 30 to 60 second bites.
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Enjoyed Your Honor on Showtime. It was the distraction through the giant Texas snowstorm. Based on an Israeli series that had two seasons (Indian series made as well derived from it).
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@too-old-for-this said in Good TV:
Its too hard to get a good grasp on how they would handle the duality of the character from 30 to 60 second bites.
I can understand this.
A lot of great character actors have that knack, though. And with only a scant amount of time they can so thoroughly slip into that character that their performance, while short, is one of the more memorable in a movie.
Like Peter Stormare, for example.
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Any good podcast suggestions the wife and I are pulling a Ted Cruz and heading for Cancun for a few days second week of March.
Love things like LPOTL, Serial, Monster.. etc. probably looking for more recent or obscure.
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@buttercup
https://allkillanofilla.libsyn.com/
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I like Disenchantment way more than I ever expected to.
So I've watched the Simpsons and Futurama too. They were funny. I was down for a new Matt Groening show as a meaningless distraction.
But it actually has really good story, too. That pleasantly surprised me. Season 3 even has a tastefully done, respectful queer storyline, although romance isn't generally at the centre of the show. Solid female lead, adult humour, lighthearted while still being emotionally impactful. I didn't feel the need to binge it, I savoured it over a period of weeks whenever I had half an hour to spare and sweeten up my day. I recommend.
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I really appreciate Tyler Hoechlin's take on Superman, because to me he carries this very visible joy and love for humanity, and genuine niceness that I like to see Superman hold. Superman is (for me, at least) about the best parts of humanity through the super hero lens.
Bitsie Tulloch's Lois, for some reason, isn't quite working for me and I can't quite put my finger on why.
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
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I really appreciate Tyler Hoechlin's take on Superman
To me he will always be Derek the Hot Werewolf.
Racism isn't Tinkerbell. It doesn't need you to believe in it for it to exist.
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@derp I feel you on that. I actually do experience some cognitive dissonance watching him play this open, loving person vs....well, Derek the Hot Werewolf.
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
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'Derek' may be the least appealing-sounding name I've ever heard. It sounds like the kind of word that sounds like a swear but is okay for you to say in front of your parents.
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@derp I feel you on that. I actually do experience some cognitive dissonance watching him play this open, loving person vs....well, Derek the Hot Werewolf.
Clark the Hot Werewolf?
Derek the Hot Kryptonian?Just think of it as a re-imaging.
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@tnp Do they make kryptonite/silver alloy bullets?
