RL Anger

Duntada

Man did that get screwed up in my family then!

My sister broke 4 different noses (a couple of them twice) in High School and is general the most aggressive out of all of us.

Meanwhile I was the one checking in on everyone when they were sick, cooking soup for them and treating injuries.

It's almost like... gasp people are different!

Also fuck that guy for talking bad about Sarah Conner.

Thenomain

@Tyche said in RL Anger:

IF men acted like FEMINISTS
IF men acted like FEMINISTS - Hate Mail

Irony and satire have their place, but I don't think this guy was very good at it. It was cute, and his point was made, but it was bland and way too long, undermining the satire. 2 out of 5 stars; would not recommend. Hate Videos are not a thing I go out to explore, but I bet there's someone who does a far better job of deconstructing the problem with Anitian Feminism.

This porn star, for instance. (Don't worry, she's dressed, but she is discussing rape.) To summarize for people who are too tired to watch more of the back-and-forth name-calling, the short and succinct point she is making is that the deeper problem isn't being addressed by Anita et al.

Also, is a video of someone who is actually RL angry.

While I have my high horse out: damn, @Coin, I read that as if it was also satire. I didn't believe for a minute that this was serious. I can't figure out what else it would possibly be, so I'll believe it.

Lithium

@Thenomain For my part, abuse is abuse. Are some abuses worse than others? Hell yes, but, that /does not mean we let any of it slide/.

She is justifiably pissed about what happened, and about the lack of support but that doesn't mean you support harassment and abuse of others.

At least not in my mind.

Thenomain

@Lithium said in RL Anger:

@Thenomain For my part, abuse is abuse. Are some abuses worse than others? Hell yes, but, that /does not mean we let any of it slide/.

Which is Mercedes' complaint, that Anita is letting the worse abuses slide.

She is justifiably pissed about what happened, and about the lack of support but that doesn't mean you support harassment and abuse of others.

Good, because she wasn't saying that it did. She was calling Anita a fraud for ... well, letting the worse abuses slide, for taking income and fame while not addressing the core issues of sexually motivated abuse.

Because ... y'know, Anita's a fraud.

Insomnia

Seriously, cable is not that fucking important. If you are going to loose your shit and go on a tirade about someone trying to help you out and threatening to complain so that they will be on the unemployment line... for a service you don't even actually pay for? Fuck you.

Sometimes I wish I was a waitress so I could do something to your food. As it is I have to figure out how to get extra middle fingers, so I can give you the middle fingers you deserve.

I'm as bad as Hitler? Really? Because you can't watch a show? But thank you for calling at 2am so I can't even give you the 3 warnings and pass you on to management because they are gone now, and therefore I can't hang up on you after the three warnings, or loose my job. It was lovely. I know you weren't drunk, just very very angry. Honestly I think he would have reached through the phone and hit me if he could he sounded so angry. I seriously wondered if I would need to call 911 for his wife... until she got just as screechy. Also if you want free credit? Not the best approach. You want a free month? Have a free month of fuck yous. Credits are at my discretion, dickbag.

Tip to anyone playing a vampire who decides to play the long game and torment people; mess with their cable. They will absolutely lose their shit.

Tyche

@Thenomain said in RL Anger:

Irony and satire have their place, but I don't think this guy was very good at it. It was cute, and his point was made, but it was bland and way too long, undermining the satire. 2 out of 5 stars; would not recommend. Hate Videos are not a thing I go out to explore, but I bet there's someone who does a far better job of deconstructing the problem with Anitian Feminism.

I agree. It's only mildly amusing. I thought the hate reaction was something else though.
I guess people do that. Not only to women on the internet.

This porn star, for instance. (Don't worry, she's dressed, but she is discussing rape.) To summarize for people who are too tired to watch more of the back-and-forth name-calling, the short and succinct point she is making is that the deeper problem isn't being addressed by Anita et al.

I believe they are more interested in holding gaming companies responsible and/or hostage to some cause.

There's a picture of the offending miniature in this article which is an email interview with Emily Garland ( MiniatureGate? TabletopGate?
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/7/11371194/tabletop-harassment-malifaux-controversy

And a woman who plays the game posted the following:

"Being a member of the Wyrd community, I kind of saw this from the beginning. One of the big breaking points, believe it not, was a name. See Wyrd does (or did) open beta testing for each wave of miniature releases. The most recent had a character, a sort of sociopathic techno-necromancer, with the name Lizzie Lovelace, taken of course from Lizzie Borden and Ada Lovelace. The author of the article we're all discussing here had a massive reaction against this name because it is apparently similar to the name of a porn actress. She insisted point blank that it be changed. Now at the time she was just another poster in the community but the point of open betas is for everyone to be able to say their opinion. But the sheer hostility she had to the idea that the name was fine, that it was just a reference to two real-world figures who were big inspirations to a lot of Malifaux's fluff, was quite frankly staggering. This was also was the first time she began recounting many of her experiences. It wasn't a pretty time. It saw the Wyrd boards re-organised, rules tightened, and eventually even saw the name changed (to Anna Lovelace)." - Nightingale

I did not know any porn actress names, but now thanks to the above and @Thenomain I know three now.
Frankly, I don't see the causal connection between tabletop games/miniatures and sexual harassment/assault whatever.

Perhaps with a little more tabletop diversity...
Dungeons & Dragons & Bitches
We can make women more comfortable at these games.

Also, is a video of someone who is actually RL angry.

Speaking of "RL Anger", it would have been better that @Misadventure had started a different thread, because I can't follow discussion in this random one. Assuming it was meant for that.

Duntada

@Insomnia said in RL Anger:

Tip to anyone playing a vampire who decides to play the long game and torment people; mess with their cable. They will absolutely lose their shit.

That might be even more torturous than my idea of making sure a car breaks down in front of them on their way to work every morning.

Kanye Qwest

@Tyche
Feel free to stop paying attention to the discussion. Everyone understands your position. We've already played "spot the MRA".

Misadventure

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Ganymede

@Kanye-Qwest said in RL Anger:

Feel free to stop paying attention to the discussion. Everyone understands your position. We've already played "spot the MRA".

I've always disliked the use of the term "MRA," if only because I find it being used as a dismissive pejorative to silence what I have personally experienced to be reasonable discourse.

I mean, I understand that "mansplaining" is a thing, and that there are ridiculous men's-rights-activists/advocates who are dead-on-wrong about a lot of things. But the instant we get onto the 'nigga-nigger' train, we're heading into a land of perdition that's as productive as fighting for peace.

Apos

@Ganymede It is more than a little depressing to me that the redpill types aren't actually trolls trying to be absurd on purpose and it is actually a thing.

Sunny

It's easy to be dismissive of people who are reacting to being attacked and silenced by being dismissive themselves, but I sure as fuck don't have time to bother with @Tyche and his extremity, or that of those like him. It's pointless. He's a condescending, sexist asshole who is personally responsible for doing some of the behaviors that women are talking about in this thread. He isn't here to discuss or learn.

Just because he thinks he has something to say doesn't actually mean it has any value, or that the rest of us have to engage him. Refusing to directly engage with an ass does not an ass make.

Ganymede

@Sunny said in RL Anger:

Just because he thinks he has something to say doesn't actually mean it has any value, or that the rest of us have to engage him. Refusing to directly engage with an ass does not an ass make.

Then don't engage him? I don't -- not seriously, at least.

I still dislike the use of the term "MRA." Because there's nothing wrong with defending the rights of men, and men's rights are often overlooked on important issues, especially in domestic relations.

Not that men have helped themselves in that arena by being generally misogynistic and bigoted.

Sunny

@Ganymede

As far as I know, it's still used for self-identification by the MRA jackasses, whether you like the term or not.

You'll note that while I engage about him, I try not to directly engage, because mostly what he has to say is so fucking infuriating if I lend it even a little credence, I start hissing and spitting and being generally incoherent because HOW can someone in this hobby be THAT bad.

Thenomain

@Ganymede said in RL Anger:

Not that men have helped themselves in that arena by being generally misogynistic and bigoted.

Yeah, us guys.

i mean, I agree with the core idea from Tyche that bigotry is not good and that people should be called out on it, but I've never been labeled an MRA. Maybe it's because I identify my own faults? Maybe it's because I'm not trying to start a fight? Or that I'm not belittling the issues? (Satire and sarcasm don't have to belittle the issue, just the idiots misappropriating it.)

Yeah, the more that I think about it, the more that I have to wonder how people getting pissed off over a contentious and emotional issue is noteworthy. It's a pretty basic psychology tactic. I'm going back to watch Sh0eonhead. At least she's funny.

Kanye Qwest

@Thenomain
What are you upset about? Who isn't funny?

Arkandel

@Kanye-Qwest I don't want to answer for Theno or anyone else, but it's a bit disconcerting to be tossed in with a very, very large group of people (in fact roughtly 50% of all humanity) like you share opinions, ideas or intentions and most importantly faults with 'them'.

We're not a hive mind, we just have a penis. In fact some claim it means we have less of a mind, not more.

The day a specific male is being misogynistic or a bigot call him on it. Otherwise it can get a bit offensive pretty quickly.

Kanye Qwest

@Arkandel Was actually just not following Thenomain, there, so was curious.

I would think it obvious that modestly reasonable adults using generalizations are doing so with the knowledge that generalizations do not apply to everyone, but I'd like to ask : how would you prefer these things be said?

Let me spin the perspective around, just for a moment.

Put yourself in my shoes, for the sake of argument. In my shoes, you would realize you'd faced sexual harassment ranging from mild (or what most women think of as 'the norm', and how screwed up is that?) to scary/disturbing in every single job you had ever held.

Every job. 100% of them - and it's been a wildly varied array of jobs! Food service, bartending, waitressing, clerical, office, retail, on through IT and big data.

Now say I find that to be worth talking about, and I declare "Ugh, most workplaces are lousy with sexual harassment!"

So if you think about your own workplace, and your own life, and how tired you are of being lumped in with some faceless throng of male aggressors and you say "NOT MY WORKPLACE! Not ALL workplaces!"

...Well, you aren't wrong, but you are changing the subject in a hell of self-centered way.

*PS thread at large, on the subject of men's rights. Of course they are important. Feminists stand up for them! Getting rid of backwards social expectations and constraints based on gender is good for everyone.

Arkandel

@Kanye-Qwest said in RL Anger:

I'd like to ask : how would you prefer these things be said?

"Some men are horrible people. Some people let them get away with it, thus proving to be pretty bad themselves."

Misadventure

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