RL Anger
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On a way more serious issue, what the fuck has been happening in Hollywood? Dustin Hoffman is now apologising for sexual assaults he 'may have' committed?
Damn. I mean I figured things weren't great in that industry but damn.
Repetition causes a normalizing effect.
In this case, the normalization is abstracting away from something that should never have been normal.
I believe that it keeps rolling because we've already spent far more than a year criticizing Trump for these things; it's going to internalize (and normalize) sooner or later, and that time just happens to be now.
Maybe enough people are realizing that double-standards don't stand up to enough scrutiny.
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@arkandel Oh god, this thing is exploding. Dustin Hoffman, Kevin Spacey, Jeremy Piven. Recently some horrible behavior by Brett Ratner was revealed by Olivia Munn and Natasha Henstridge. It's horrifying.
It really bothers me on a human level the number of Hollywood insiders who knew about these behaviors and tendencies for years, but nothing has been done until recently because no one wanted to get blacklisted from the industry.
That just makes my belly hurt.
I read that Robert Rodriguez cast Rose McGowan in Planet Terror (Miramax) against Harvey Weinstein's wishes just to spite him.
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@ghost What's genuinely shocking is that in at least two cases so far (Spacey and Hoffman's) they didn't even try to deny it. It was sort of... really lukewarm. Wtf.
As for Ratner, apparently he whipped it out and started masturbating in front of them? Also, wtf, who does that?
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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@arkandel Olivia Munn was the masturbation story. Henstridge is alleging a forceful act against her.
What I feel about this is...what is the proper response? I'm not talking about how to determine guilt vs innocence, but more...the sheer amount of clout the entertainment industry has in many of our recreational lives is fairly high. When you think of the scope, think of it this way:
When a player in the NFL does something someone doesn't like, a jersey gets burned, right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miramax_films
There's the Miramax filmography that encompasses hundreds of films from Kevin Smith, Tarantino, Gangs of New York, Bridget Jones, etc.
We're talking the X-Men films, Rush Hour(Ratner), classics like The Graduate and The Usual Suspects.
When you're talking about an industry these people used to prey on others, up to and including Feldman's allegations of Hollywood pedophilia, this could very well encompass and inject a feeling of negativity into whole decades of generation-defining films.
We're nerds.
What happens if Roddenberry or Lucas come up in these allegations? Whedon. Whoever.
My point is, is that these things and industries people love, or have dreamed about, could very well be tied to a hidden society of obfuscated rape.
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Roddenberry already has, like 30+ years ago.
I’m sympathetic that this is shocking to many men and the individuals are to some women, but I’ll be blunt.
Every woman in your life probably isn’t shocked at this concept nor at its broad scope.
And I’m sorry to break it to you, but every industry is this bad.
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Where do people think all the "young actress sucks off the exec to get a role" tropes/etc came from?
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@mietze Oh, I understand that. I've understood this for a long time. While I think it's great that more justice and awareness is getting out about this, the real issue is that this is all far more pervasive than the general public is willing to admit.
I'm not shocked that it's happening. The stories just make my stomach hurt in the way that they should.
One can hope society will come out of this with a better understanding and more fairness.
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Roddenberry already has, like 30+ years ago.
I’m sympathetic that this is shocking to many men and the individuals are to some women, but I’ll be blunt.
Every woman in your life probably isn’t shocked at this concept nor at its broad scope.
And I’m sorry to break it to you, but every industry is this bad.
I have an interesting follow-up question: Will the white males of America be held with their feet to the fire like this any time soon for treatment of the blacks here?
I want that to be the next thing, or the continued as the current thing, or that thing to not take over but run in parallel to this thing with similar effects.
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It really bothers me on a human level the number of Hollywood insiders who knew about these behaviors and tendencies for years,
At the same time, you have Courtney Love and JJ Abrams both who spent years trying to bring light to Weinstein and people just ignored them.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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Weinstein was even a joke in 30 Rock. It wasn't exactly hidden
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@auspice and @WildBaboons, so we should remind all to thank these people for helping open the door.
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I overheard a conversation yesterday between two co-workers, a man and a woman, with them both remarking about how the women were "using Weinstein too" for their careers. I very quietly sidled up to the man later and remarked how it didn't matter, and that sexual assault is never okay, and not a bargaining chip.
But in retrospect what also bothers me? Is the fact that it's so easy to miss the point of how this is not in any way shape or form a transaction of equals. Weinstein was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and it was his job to develop movies, find talent, etc. He choose to utilize that job as a way to get his rocks off at the behest of the women he knew he could take advantage of. I basically want to shove this into the face of all the people spouting that whole "they used him too" party line.
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
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@thenomain Regarding white males of America, I doubt it.
We still run shit on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Weinstein was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and it was his job to develop movies, find talent, etc. He choose to utilize that job as a way to get his rocks off at the behest of the women he knew he could take advantage of. I basically want to shove this into the face of all the people spouting that whole "they used him too" party line.
I'll bet they'd say the same thing about teachers who coerce their students to have sex with them to improve their grades. Both sides benefit, right?
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede I have dealt with such people who were formerly colleagues. This is exactly what they say, at least.
He/Him
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Weinstein was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood and it was his job to develop movies, find talent, etc. He choose to utilize that job as a way to get his rocks off at the behest of the women he knew he could take advantage of. I basically want to shove this into the face of all the people spouting that whole "they used him too" party line.
I'll bet they'd say the same thing about teachers who coerce their students to have sex with them to improve their grades. Both sides benefit, right?
Well, considering Neil DeGrasse Tyson has been accused...
I guess we'll find out!
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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@auspice While I'm perfectly willing to assume that such accusations are true, and it's understandable that once one series of accusations has come out more will do so... I really, really don't want to believe half of these.
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@auspice While I'm perfectly willing to assume that such accusations are true, and it's understandable that once one series of accusations has come out more will do so... I really, really don't want to believe half of these.
What's sad about hers is that she's apparently tried bringing it up before and people didn't listen / wouldn't believe her.
I think that's a lot of why there's a flood of them right now. Women are seeing that their voices are finally being heard, so they can finally step up and say something, even if they already tried before.
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I'm very disappointed, for the most part.
I'd like to think I'm a pretty successful person, and yet I haven't raped anyone so far.
Maybe I'm just behind the curve.
(Actually, I'm not disappointed -- at least, not at myself. I'm disappointed to hear that even beloved celebs like Tyson may have engaged in this behavior. If the allegations are true -- and I think there is more truth to this than falsity -- then it just goes to show you that you really can't trust anyone at all, anywhere, and it's absolutely tiring to think about life this way.)
(Also, this sickness sucks, but at least it's going away.)
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
