@chet said in Make MSB great again!:
I want a merc board, where people can show interest in being recruited for work at games, instead of having to wait for someone to start up a project.
I'd say the MU Code board could prob. be used for that. Or maybe the Questions one. No need for a whole separate section.
@derp said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@auspice said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Oh look. It's 11pm.
Haven't heard anything from them yet.
I am Jack's lack of surprise.
Are you at least home from work?
Oh yeah. I did my usual commute home. It was just full of me grouching to myself and all.
They got here around 11:20. They did not bring blankets or pillows. They're lucky I have these things (despite never having guests). I dunno, man.
Upside? My brothers apparently chipped in together and bought me an InstantPot. I gotta send them thanks.
@thenomain said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
I think that Auspice’s responses are too jokey and Ganymede’s too trying-to-be-factual. (edit: this makes Auspice the new Thenomain and Ganymede the new Emmahsue. Go figure.)
Ugh, I don't want to be the new anything.
That said, I try for levity because when I'm more firm, it usually comes back with a panic because of the heavy handedness. A 'YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SO MEAN I DIDN'T REALIZE...'
Which is a crock of shit. Y'all are intelligent adults. You know what you're doing. We choose to play games that require we write for hours on end. That's mildly insane in this day and age. We are, by and far, above average in IQ, and I treat you all as such.
Which is why I go for the more light-hearted in my responses. Because I know you know what you're doing. I shouldn't need to tell you to back off, but obviously I have to, so don't make me break out the mallet.
Or, do. We can have fun. >.>
@lotherio said in Make MSB great again!:
Maybe the wrong thread for it, I'm over wrong fun arguments though.
Part of the issue is how quickly people accuse something of 'wrong fun.' It's become methodology to shut down an argument they don't like.
'How dare you play <role>.' - 'wrong fun'ing someone (lord do I hate the term; we need something better)
'If you're using X setting for a game, I'd suggest taking out Y because Y ruins it for MU*ing.' - opinion/advice, doesn't mean someone has to take it
The latter has led to arguments, yes, and it will. No more or less than bar debates on sports, movies, etc.. But with the psuedo-anonymity of the forums and the fact that people feel like they vs. their opinion are being attacked... the 'wrong fun' comes out as a way to lash back at the person who said it vs. just going 'Alright, well, I personally don't think Y will be an issue.'
It's human nature to get worked up over things you feel, personally, to be important. But I think we all have it in us to just walk away or at least express our disappointment in more light-hearted or polite ways.
Because seriously guys, every time you declare you're 'done with this discussion' (or variants thereof), WTFE has to buy more alcohol.
@ashen-shugar said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@auspice said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
And for the sheer amount of time that went on it was just like, 'wow. these people really, really think I'm worthless.'
This.
This right here in a very generic way describes the issue that a lot of people on the internet as a whole have.
I want you (the general you out there) to think about this real hard.
Why would someone who you have never met, have likely never seen, know nothing about, likely has no knowledge of you as well, nor likely has a reason to even find out, have any bearing to state that you would be worthless or not.
And an even better question. Why should you care?
Just, you know, food for thought?
This sort of falls into the great psychological divide of people who have severe depression and anxiety issues and those who don't. How the brain functions, plasticity, and the (relatively) recent discovery that people with depression literally have a vastly more difficult time accessing the portion of their brain that handles more positive thinking on a physical and chemical level.
Which is a discussion that is neither suitable for this thread nor one that this board as a whole is really capable of holding, I think.
@dariryu said in Which canon property/setting would be good for a MU* ?:
I apologize for expressing that unpopular opinion. I didn't realize consent-based roleplay was so incredibly universally hated and reviled here. I have deleted the post in question, and I will refrain from expressing any other such views.
Once again, I apologize for bringing up a subject that was uncomfortable for so many people.
It was just two people and one was... rather unreasonable in their response. There's actually a lot of folks around here who don't mind consent-based roleplay at all.
It may be that people have trouble imagining it working well, long-term, for Final Fantasy (I admit to be one of them), but the concept in general is not reviled.
@faraday said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@auspice said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
So we should focus on solutions that we can enact without coded crutches.
Not to be defeatist or anything, but if we rule out manual moderation, and we rule out automated tools, and we've demonstrated that policies by themselves don't help, ummmmm..... what's left?
I, personally, am not ruling out manual moderation. I do think we should rule out automated tools so long as we are on a software set that is causing people to post bug reports at least once a week. I don't trust nodebb at this point in time. I don't want to put time and effort into automated tools only to have them fail on me a short time later.
@kanye-qwest said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@auspice said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
There's also the fact that we're adults.
It doesn't matter if soandso did it to you before. This isn't an acceptable excuse when you're ten and it certainly isn't acceptable as an adult.But "what are you, ten?" isn't a helpful response at all in the context of the discussion, which was about people feeling singled out.
Fairness is about consistency. No one is perfect, and no one can perfectly be consistent, but meeting complaints about consistency with dismissive glibness isn't the way to enable understanding.
You've missed my point. A point that came well after the discussion on people feeling singled out, which I was actively a part of.
If this is an attempt to try to stir people up against me, you are actively contributing to the very problem you're claiming to champion.
I stared that we offer children the respect and responsibility that they are capable of not retaliating against others merely because the person performed a punitive action upon them, albeit in a simplistic and off-the-cuff fashion as I was on my phone.
Perhaps the following will be more descriptive and definitive: As we are older, more mature, and have a greater understanding and empathy of members of humanity around us, I feel that we are even more capable of this act than a child (who has much less control of their emotional and knee-jerk responses) would be.
If you are not capable of refraining from attacking someone merely because "s/he did it first" and have that punitive need to harm someone (often worse) just to see them suffer, perhaps participating within a community full of empathetic (as creatives often are) people is not for you.
@wizz said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
"We've got moderators, but we don't want to moderate, but there's a still a problem" is the conversation that is still happening like five months after I went back to occasional lurking?
As I've stated, I don't mind moderating. The issue I have is more that while I can handle some lashback to aforementioned moderating... I am not a stone wall. I do have some squishy insides.
I also need consistency and support from my fellow moderators. And there have been (for the sake of transparency) days where I have gone to them, pointed at something, and said: "I want to moderate this." and received a sort of 'eh, I think it's fine.' in return.
So I will say once again: if the forum wants moderation, I will moderate. I will moderate across the board. I will even begin using that fun feature where we can suspend people for just a couple days (for cooldown periods). A lot of people will not like it. I think @Ganymede has said they will do this, as well.
I also think it may be time to officially made the Ad thread ads only. No discussion whatsoever. Want to discuss a game? Put up a Hog Pit thread (for the down'n'dirty) or a Constructive thread (for the random chatter). Keep the ad thread for details (the ad, any updates such as big events, opening of new spheres or OCs etc) only.
This way there's no derailings, no 'well how come we can only say nice things?!'. And as those threads are made, someone can go in and link them in the ad thread.
How's that sound?
I honestly didn't know OCs were so disliked, either. I've got just a couple FCs I like playing and if they're taken, I'll go for an OC. I've never personally experienced backlash for my OCs, but maybe it was never to my face.
Or maybe it's a shift in dynamics since I last regularly played superhero games.
@ganymede oh god I have got to stop ordering ubereats.
I had a Problem(TM) with DoorDash myself a couple years ago.
@roz said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@tnp said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@roz said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
Leave ad threads for the ads, ad updates, and maybe links to discussion posts elsewhere on the forum. Either lock it (if the functionality exists) or delete extraneous posts.
Yes. After the initial ad post, lock it. A mod can create a Q&A thread in Mildly Constructive and a Game Review thread in the Hog Pit and link both of them in the ad itself.
Why does the mod need to create the thread? If people want to ask questions, they can create their own discussion thread. If they want to get down in the muck, they can create their own Hog Pit thread.
Again, speaking to 'everyone here is a relatively intelligent adult,' I don't think we should even need to lock the ad thread.
'Don't post in ad threads unless you are game staff.'
Simple rule.
I want game staff, as a whole, to be able to post relevant information in a game thread.
If it's not relevant information?
It gets deleted.
If someone wants to make a discussion thread? They can make one.
I'm doing a tech screening for a possible job.
One of the questions:
'Describe to a non-technical friend how SSL works.'
'No. Just no. Don't do this to yourself or anyone else' should be a valid answer.
@insomnia said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@auspice Belatedly, and may not be an issue with the new area; and probably not easily doable with this forum because it seems pretty lacking in easy code things, but what about for ads locking them to a group. The game owner would have to say MSBPoster 1, and MSBPoster2, are staff, could you add them to our group, and then if someone leaves staff the Game owner would have to contact you guys to have them removed from the group for official threads.
But you could also still allow random people to post because they just found this really cool game and want people to know about it and lock it up. If a game then wants an official ad made they could ask for a group. I mean if you are proud of your game and staffing, why not have a badge by their name?
Not sure if groups can work this way or not, but they seem under-used.
It's an interesting idea, but...
still adds to the whole 'pile of work for the moderators.'
I also def. wouldn't make badges on a per-game basis. That definitely adds a lot more work.
Now, I will consider, as I look at new forum software, the ability for someone to lock their own thread and add other poster permissions. That might help.
If I could lock a thread and add, say, Derp as an approved poster, that would help a lot.
But right now, I really want to be able to trust the forum at large to behave and keep to posting in approved areas without having to use other tools that require a lot of extra work on the mod's part. We're all adults. We should be able to go 'Oh, AnotherMUX put up an ad thread? I wanna talk about it. I should go see if there's a thread in Constructive.'
@lotherio said in Potential Game / Temperature Read:
No, Magician, for what @Arkandel said, modern world, nothing new to learn and people can figure out other things to do when not Magician'ing.
I will note that I plan to keep the focus on the school and only the school. If your character graduates (on 1:1, that's a long ways off), you'd be able to shift them into an instructor (or other support figure for the school) role.
Because opening up a 'city' or other Real World location leads to a mess of a grid, characters spread out, and then people wanting to play non-Magicians (like, no hedge witches will be allowed, for example).
Having the Neitherlands and countless portals to other worlds should satisfy peoples' needs for non-school RP (as it'd be part of the initial plot to discover the portal at the school and the Neitherlands).
The books/show already showed that the school itself has time travel devices (ones students had made), so people could even run plots to visit X points in history.
Eliott and Janet/Margo have a portal to their favorite pub in London.
So being able to "venture out" beyond the school is super easy in that setting.
Man, I'm sorry. ![😕](http://musoapbox.net/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f615.png?v=4vfms5ns7sl ":\")
The nurse/doctor, doctor/doctor, experience/doctor, and so on disconnect can be annoying af sometimes.
The last time I was in the hospital, I was on dilaudid. Intravenous. One of my doses made me puke. The nurse even specifically said 'Oh, this happens sometimes.' I brought this up to my surgeon (since intestinal issues are why I was there, it was important to note).
He goes, 'It must be something else. Dilaudid never does that.'
Bitch, I'mma listen to the nurse who is the one on the floor administering it for twelve hours a day errday.
@ashen-shugar said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
Don't know if it may help, but maybe an option that requires a poster wait a full hour before posting in the same thread after their last post?
We do have it setup so new accounts have to wait an hour before they can post.
I am not sure about a setting to wait an hour before you can post in the same thread. For two reasons.
a) I'm not sure if the setting exists.
b) I'm not sure I want to nanny people.
I trust you guys, by and far. We're all adults. I know we have the capacity to do these things. Part of why we haven't is that none of us have been held to it. We're going to start being held to it. Both by moderation and by each other. Hold yourselves to it. And call each other out. Not by attacking one another, but by a mere "Hey, that wasn't cool."
Just like you'd (I'd hope) call a friend to task for being an asshole, pull someone here aside. It doesn't have to be out in public, but it can be in PMs or in your private chats / pages. We want to be a more uplifting, positive community? It begins with ourselves. Be better, yourself. Pressure your friends to be better. Start small.
Don't expect everyone around you to be better. Don't expect the mods to put tools upon tools or work themselves (this is a volunteer gig that comes with zero perks) to babysit you to be better. We are all highly intelligent people. We can do this.
I mean, if I Staff on a game, I do a lot of work, but I at least get to play that game and the players will generally thank me in the wake of doing that work. A lot of what I do here is answered with being shit on. It kinda blows. Of course the three of us aren't looking to stack even more busy work on. Will we mod? Totally (or I will, at least). Do we want to add tools or processes that add more busy work (like chasing down all of the staff of a game to add tags/groups?), no.
But one thing we can all do is like @Ashen-Shugar says: consider the person on the other side of the screen. Consider they don't come from the same place, means, etc., as you. Or try, at least. Also, sarcasm never translates well. Ever.
Awakening 2.0 makes Auspice's brain hurt. She is not a fan. >.>
I also feel I'd lose a lot of potential players if I just recolored nWoD.
@aria said in Um...What?:
A friendly of acquaintance of mine, MT, asked me if I wanted to come hang out with him and his roommate Sam, and cook some tasty food and also listen to MT's fabulous record collection! It turns out, this was in fact a blind date. A supervised blind-date, where I was being set up with said very shy roommate. Also of note: Sam is short for 'Samantha'. I am not gay.
Reminds me of the time, many years ago, a friend (who was out of state for a period of time) asked if I'd go fix his buddy's computer for him. Sure, why not*.
Get to guy's house. He literally lives in his mother's basement. At least it's a nice basement? And clean? I mean it could smell. And the number of anime paraphernalia is limited. (I realized later he v. likely cleaned much of it up because gurl.)
The entire time I am fixing said computer, he is regaling me with his tales of being a 4channer. the. entire. time.
Later, friend gets in touch with me along the lines of 'Soooooo, how'd you like <friend>?'
Word to the wise: if you're trying to set someone up with your buddy, sending her to his mom's basement domicile is probably not the best method.
*This is now #1 on the list of Reasons Auspice Will Not Fix Your Computer.
