Supergirl made it out of the pilot and into its second episode intact and improved, for anyone interested. And Superman was name-dropped several times (hopefully they'll dial it back, but it was almost like they were letting us know they are allowed to say his name) as were Lois, Perry, and Clark Kent (separately from Superman, even! By people who don't know his secret!).
Plus, they aren't fucking around with their plot--it's moving at lightspeed, baby!
@Sunny said:
@Arkandel said:
@tragedyjones said:
Starting to sound like we may need a TT via Skype going on.
I don't think "table" means what you think it means!
Yeah, if I'm going to do it online it's another beast entirely; doing it via skype...loses something. Online tabletop is stupid fun, but it isn't the same.
I don't know. I think it could be lots of fun.
Do/did you play in a tabletop game now or in the past? Yes. Since before I even played any of these games online.
What games(s) do/did you play as tabletop? Vampire (both), Werewolf (both), Dungeons and Dragons, Lord of the Rings, RuneQuest, Alternity, Call of Cthulhu, Exalted, Scion.
Are/were you the GM/ST/DM at your tabletop? I have been many, many times, but not exclusively.
Would you tabletop if you had the opportunity? Absolutely.
Do you have the opportunity but choose NOT to tabletop? No. My group's just lazy at the moment and on a downturn in activity.
Misc: Tabletop is a completely different experience from MUing. Ridiculously so.
@Thenomain said:
@Coin
I liked both oChangeling and nChangeling, so I don't think that this summary is correct. It might be correct for some, but I am willing to rate a game on its own merits and not solely when compared to something else.Let's take one of the more dramatically changed games between oWoD and nWoD: Werewolf. We've gone from hippy-dippy stereotypes fighting a losing battle against the endless waves of an uber-spirit god, to more alien predators who are vastly outnumbered trying to fight both a battle of control against spirits and a more literal battle against their estranged cousins.
Both are good and horrible games on their own merits. Comparing the two would probably end in heartache, headache, or both. However, once you get past the ephemera of expressed theme, the newer game is a re-imagining of the older one: Philosophical groups of shape-shifters who are in a bad spot band together trying to protect the planet against spirits and corrupt relatives. Removing the Triumvirate is the only truly massive change. Push the underlying game of oWerewolf through the lens of nWoD and you get nWerewolf.
Okay, can the same be done for Changeling? Yes, only the massive change is that they flipped the reality/fantasy aspect. This makes the characters humans with faerie elements instead of the other way around. It was a necessary alteration to fit the game within the nWoD setting. There are no longer many layers of what nWoD calls "Twilight"; there is just one. No more near umbra/far umbra/blah/blah/blah.
And so forth.
I wasn't talking about oWoD.
nVampire2 is a refinement of nVampire. nWerewolf2 is a refinement of etc. nMage2 is a re-writing, but it isn't that far off what they had in nMage, so a more dramatic refinement. The essential feeling I get from nChangeling2 is that it is not a refinement, and therefore the project lead is doing his own thing with little consideration to the material. Will this be true? Possibly. Throwing things around like "well that's just your opinion" is just silly; my opinion didn't come out of nowhere.
I actually don't agree that the changes to Changeling that we've seen (which aren't many) are that far off from the first edition, especially compared to the differences in Vampire and Werewolf. This only highlights the subjectivity of the issue.
I don't know if you took my saying it was subjective as a negative; it's not. But it does imply that there is no concrete absolute regarding whether or not Changeling "changes too much" compared to Werewolf or Vampire.
@Thenomain said:
nWerewolf 2e felt more like some author read it, sighed as they hung their head, and tried to salvage a game out of what was presented. Having read none of the presented nMage2e, I already get the feeling that the same will be happening here.
Contrast: nChangeling2e (dammit this is hard to type; can I call it GMC Changeling instead? CtL2 would be technically correct but I can't remember the 'the Splat' part of each game line) is starting to feel like someone who changed everything for the sake of changing everything.
This really just seems entirely subjective. You like 1e Changeling and didn't really like 1e Werewolf or Mage, so the changes to latter seem like a salvaging something that had promise but that didn't satisfy you, while the former feels like a radical change you can't abide.
It's the same thing, it's just that the latter challenges your enjoyment of the previous edition and what the changes mean for it with regards to what you expect.
@The-Tree-of-Woe said:
And a shriller, more spiteful, more venomous cunt you will never meet.
It really is a privilege to know him. Or is it a privy?
Trick question. Again.
@Griatch said:
RPI's and perhaps Evennia I've noticed, seem to be in constant risk of slipping further and further down the corruption hole.
Not sure how Evennia suddenly got clumped into a discussion on ethics and staff corruption.
One's a specific style of text-based game, the other is a computer program, not even targeted specifically at making RPIs?
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Griatch
That's just Kireek. He gets confused about which hole to talk out of.
@Admiral said:
I'd wager more people like oWoD than nWoD theme-wise. Not everyone's a hipster after all.
Oh, I'm sorry. Did you used to like WoD before it was new?
-_-
@Miss-Demeanor said:
@Coin Not hard at all. Because people want the themes and setups of owod with the more streamlined and easier mechanics of nwod. How is that hard to grasp? What they put out doesn't cover what people want. So yeah, they buy it... then immediately start bitching about how its not exactly what they wanted.
Do you even consumer, bro?
Except there's been translation guides for years now that allow them to play the best part of both systems (and for those things that don't have them, it's painfully simple to do if you're at all motivated).
I like nWoD. I like the differences. It's not a matter of grasping their logic; it's a matter of trying not to roll my eyes at the constant bitching when their solution would effectively take away something other people do like.
@Thenomain said:
@Coin said:
I mean, man, they're still publishing 20th Anniversary editions for oWoD stuff.
Because fans are still buying it. I keep hearing the theory that more people are buying the oWoD stuff than the nWoD or nWoD2 stuff, but I find that almost too hard to believe. Almost.
And that's fine. I'm just wondering why people insist that it would be better if nWoD turned into a copy of oWoD when there's still an oWoD being produced.
One of the main reasons why they shouldn't move back to the former is that they're still putting shit out for the former.
I want them to keep it new, especially if it isn't the same. I mean, man, they're still publishing 20th Anniversary editions for oWoD stuff.
The Voices is pretty great. It's severely disturbing, though.
@SG said:
You guys play a lot of organization and faction based games, right? How do you handle organization resources? I was thinking of ideas for PCs to build an organization from the ground up where they could forgo material rewards for quests in order to earn vague tokens or something that they could give to an organization, then the organization could spend said tokens for specific quests to secure specific things like a home base/space ships/NPC mooks to hang out and sharpen knives with.
IE 3 PCs do a PrP that goes pretty well, and instead of getting piles of dosh, each chooses a Token (their donating paydata/loot to the organization or whatever), then when the org has, say 10 tokens, they can get together and clear out a base, buy a bacta tank with a droid, whatever as part of an organization quest.
Does this sound too grindy? I was hoping it would be a way to encourage PrPs rather than having people idle around.
You are essentially talking about giving people "org experience" where what they do gets them experience that can only be invested into the org.
It's not bad, but it can get kind of dicey given how much MUers freeze/find themselves in discord with each other about what an org is about, etc.
@thebird said:
While watching a bunch of Good TV (The Walking Dead, amiright?), I keep seeing commercials for the show Into the Badlands.
I feel like I'm going crazy...? Is it me, or was that on like..years ago? Or is my brain doing that weird, overworked de ja vu thing?
I tried googling, and either my Google-fu sucks, or I'm nuts but.... anyone know about that show? Maybe it's just been in the works for forever?
It's coming. And it's going to be awesome, apparently.
But no, I don't think it's been in the works that long.
It's fucking raining and I'm wearing my brand new leather sneakers. Fuck.
