@Auspice Yanno, I'm not so convinced the next Elder Scrolls game is going to be a megahit like Skyrim was. Elder Scrolls has a following, but none of the games exploded the way that Skyrim did. Popular? Yes. MEGApopular? Skyrim was.
Will Elder Scrolls' next major release do as well without fighting dragons and Viking badasses? I guess we're gonna find out one way or another.
@Tinuviel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:
@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:
some kind of agenda or personal bias
Almost every single thing one writes is laden with an agenda or bias(es). So it's not unreasonable to search for this, especially given your recent controversial... outpouring of bias on this very topic.
Well, okay. My agenda is that I genuinely am curious how this is going to be approached, and I do think the concept is philosophically pretty interesting. Like I said, it's a choice that can't be abstained from.
If I wanted to join this group or any other group, I'd be wanting to know how the answer to this is approached.
Simple as that.
@Thenomain Is there some reason for all the snark?
Was just saying that any group created by a person has to ultimately decide their level of control over it (or lack thereof), and how they choose to approach this is always interesting.
Don't try to search between words for some kind of agenda or personal bias. It doesn't matter what I feel my preference is or what I would do. This isn't my community.
Simply, there's a lot of philosophy involved in this sort of thing, lots of differing approaches, and you can learn a lot about a person (and what the community will be like) based on how they approach decisions like these.
@Thenomain said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:
there's a lot of implication in your questions and conclusions that a dictator, even a benevolent one, is worse than a quorum.
Not really. It could go either way. In some cases, someone retaining ownership as the final decision maker works really well. There are situations where leaving it to a democracy makes a lot of sense, and others where retaining control as the creator makes a lot of sense, but either way, you simply cannot abstain from choosing, and both choice is interesting in this case.
Take MSB for example. @Arkandel releasing it to some kind of public ownership makes no sense, but what's interesting is that this group is a socio-political movement of sorts based on the importance of such a group to exist to protect people. While Ark has final say on admin level decisions for the space, the decision has been made to let the group decide what it wants itself to be within certain guidelines they feel are reasonable. Ultimately, @Arkandel owns MSB as a space, but does not take the position of leadership/ownership of what is discussed here.
So the choice becomes a philosophical one.
In short, on the topic of intersectionality, is it the owner's prerogative to hold final vote on what the group is or isn't about, who can join, who doesn't belong, and if people dont like it they can just leave and create their own? A final say can protect a group from going too far if it loses its way, but can also result in a dictatorship.
OR...
In short, a person can simply create a space for people to gather without owning the space. The concept of leadership isn't applied and so long as someone feels another person is worthy of joining(example), their own opinions are of less important than that of the whole and in that they may choose to step aside and let the group be what it may.
It's an interesting situation, and all comes down to how the creator views their role in it. Could go good or bad either way with plenty of variables, but how the creator approaches this also tells you something about them.
It's only natural to assume that (like every group based around beliefs: church, politics, activism) differences of opinion, leadership roles, and people wanting things to go the way they think it should go is inevitable. There's no questioning this. This happens.
Best to think about this ahead of time and be prepared to understand the positives and negatives of either approach.
@silverfox said in RL Anger:
It must have really rubbed you wrong.
I don't like to make puns about alcohol. Whenever I do, IPA lot.
@Auspice said in General Video Game Thread:
@Ghost said in General Video Game Thread:
@Thenomain said in General Video Game Thread:
Me: Oh wow, Bloodlines 2 is up for preorder everywhere!
GOG: Available March 2020
Me: ... Nevermind.There are a few things I will pre-order (CP2077 will be one of them to support everyone involved), but with a whole year of lead-time? Yahno.
After Anthem I've decided to reenact my "wait until I know more about what I'm buying policy."
But then again, knowing me, 4 months before Bloodlines 2 comes out I'll squeal like a kid about Masquerade+RPG+maybe nudity and throw money at it.
If you preorder the deluxe one you get a stop sign item.
$old! OMFG why didn't you say earlier that there would be a stop sign item????
My SO is a snooze commander.
(Have to be somewhere at 9am)
740: Could you hit snooze?
745: Could you hit snooze?
750: Could you hit snooze?
755: Could you hit snooze?
800: Could you hit snooze?
805: Could you hit snooze?"
"Baby, we're gonna be late"
"Just one more time..."
810: Could you hit snooze?
@Thenomain said in General Video Game Thread:
Me: Oh wow, Bloodlines 2 is up for preorder everywhere!
GOG: Available March 2020
Me: ... Nevermind.There are a few things I will pre-order (CP2077 will be one of them to support everyone involved), but with a whole year of lead-time? Yahno.
After Anthem I've decided to reenact my "wait until I know more about what I'm buying policy."
But then again, knowing me, 4 months before Bloodlines 2 comes out I'll squeal like a kid about Masquerade+RPG+maybe nudity and throw money at it.
@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:
@Kestrel What happens if for any reason the members of the community wish for you to leave it?
This isn't snark. It's an honest philosophical question.
I didnt get a response, so let me ask this a different way, because I think anytime an exclusive-type ethical organization gets created, an interesting philosophical question comes to light.
Is this a concept that you've created that you intend to turn over to a quorum of like minded individuals to democratically vote/maintain the mission, or is this an organization of your creation that membership and the direction of ultimately comes down to your discretion?
I think this is a very valid question about how this organization will work, but also provide some insight whether or not the need for the space is more relevant than being its owner.
@Rucket I dunno. I'm playing Div2 right now and I can say it doesn't really preach. The baseline content is political, but then again it doesn't matter the politics of a fictitious president or what his platform is; if DC gets hit by a virus and terrorism, it is what it is.
It's not very "oooo-rah save Murica". It's more "Hey this settlement of people dont have running water because a group of lawless shitheads have overtaken the water supply. Let's help get water to those kids."
I'm actually really a fan of how it shows progress. At the beginning a settlement in some building might be bombed out without food, but after a few missions you come back and they're all "Hey, we we're able to put together a video game system and school for the kids, and the hydroponics garden is set up to grow food."
As far as games that are run around and shoot guns, I think it's a more community "help each other", which I think is nice for a change.
@Kestrel What happens if for any reason the members of the community wish for you to leave it?
This isn't snark. It's an honest philosophical question.
@Auspice said in General Video Game Thread:
@Ghost said in General Video Game Thread:
@Auspice Haha thx I'll read it. I'm way excited about this game, but hang on, I'm accessing my mutant ability to see into the future....
Zack Smith was hired on to work on a WoD video game. If he is in the credits, this will become a contentious video game despite this political buzz
CoughCoughCough.
Sorry, seeing the future takes a bit out of me. Seriously, though, that topic is probably 4 hours away, or 4 hours after someone gets their hands on the game's credits.
I dunno if he was, but so far it's: 'you're allowed to make whatever character you want (female, male, non-binary, etc etc) and the gender pronouns in the game are flexible to that choice' and the 'but mah gamez and politics' crowd are flipping their shit.
To the extent that some are going 'PC CULTURE AREN'T ALLOWING DEVS TO MAKE THE STORIES THEY WANNA MAKE'
So seriously, it's: 'Do you guys have any remote fucking clue what V:tM even is?!'
That's fuckin awesome (make who you want) and even more awesome if there is a sort of...dont wanna say romance but mature element to it. Bloodlines 1 had strippers/sex in it. Vampire can be a very sexy game. I say "Hell yeah, bring on the options.
You're right, tho. These people don't really understand VtM. Even v5 introduced a progressive-political LGTBQ+ Gangrel and a female-led Tremere sect fighting against the clan's patriarchal boys club bullshit.
If they did it right and fair(with modern gaming quality), this video game could be a big hit.
@Auspice Haha thx I'll read it. I'm way excited about this game, but hang on, I'm accessing my mutant ability to see into the future....
Zack Smith was hired on to work on a WoD video game. If he is in the credits, this will become a contentious video game despite this political buzz
CoughCoughCough.
Sorry, seeing the future takes a bit out of me. Seriously, though, that topic is probably 4 hours away, or 4 hours after someone gets their hands on the game's credits.
“Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.” - Marcus Aurelius
Corporate management often boasts the need for ethics...unless it involves decisions that might result in people brushing up their resumes.
Didn't get laid off, but one of my major peeves in life are people who require ethics from you that they're not providing in return.
News.
Incoming Labyrinth Tabletop RPG with a GM-less system.
From what I'm reading it'll be less "D&D" and more "Legacy of Dragonolt" (A choose your own adventure style rpg system with characters, some dice, and adventure paths contained in the book material that walks players through scenes/challenges based on choices offered to them in the narration).
