Posts made by Ghost

@tek I think that inviting other players to unwittingly play support cast to your personal PC-driven adventure is abusive to the players, yes.

Also, I apologize, I didn't mean to sound patronizing when I talked about people who don't have a lot of out-of-the-home outlets. I'd like to say that I always try to keep those people in mind when I'm out there, MU*ing. In the least patronizing way possible, the reality is that I have a wife, a coffee house, guitars, clean bill of health, working legs, live in one of the largest cities in America, have a biweekly tabletop group, a corner bar, a working car, and a couple of downtown areas with regular concerts and events. I acknowledge that to some degree my ability to say fuck it and walk away from these games is more of an option for me than some others. I know no one asked for me to speak on their behalf, but when it comes to people with few other outlets, be it because of geographical location, graveyard hours, health, personal preference, etc, I really do feel for those people who run into these shit issues and have to keep plucking the chicken.

It's gotta suck plucking at the chicken for months only to find out that staff opened the game for them, not for the players, and that your opinion on the game, your involvement, or whether or not it stays open means fucknot. That was my experience on 5W, and for the most part since then I've offset my old frustration with some aspects of MUgaming with shrugging and voting with my feet.

Lastly, I don't care about sandbox and when I brought up 5W returning, I was not aware it was invite-only, but I still think it sucks for the people who were enjoying 100 to get their rp legs cut off only to find out that they weren't invited to the game these two staffers were very likely bringing up while trying to politely word why 100 was closing.

@Kanye-Qwest Don't be like that. I have said repeatedly that staff should definitely RP on their own games and enjoy the work they've put in. I'm just saying that staff shouldn't pigeonhole the entire game to being about their PCs and need to understand that by opening a place of RP to the public, there is an unspoken expectation that the roleplayers that they have opened a play space for are joining the game to matter.

By matter I mean: beyond assisting staff PCs in being the big heroes, and not being unwittingly delegated into being supporting cast characters.

People join these games to get camera time, have arcs, and feel like they're causing an impact on roleplay, not to be listed in IMDB as "Guy in Coffee House #3"

My stance is that people who open MUs who do not understand this aren't really supporting their players, but instead duping people to log on for hours a week to support their fun. It's cruel for some of these people (not myself) who put so much effort in or have very little other contact with the outside world, and I don't see anything wrong with joining a game with the expectation that staff intends for players outside of their control mechanisms have an effect on the game.

@Ominous said in The 100: The Mush:

@Ghost said in The 100: The Mush:

My original point stands. If self-centered people continue to open and run games, this hobby will eventually die. This is a pattern of behavior that I think current players should be keyed into.

Or people can just play on servers they enjoy and let others have fun on the servers they enjoy. We get it - Blue and Seraphim's games just aren't your bag. Certainly warn others of the perceived errors and problems they have, so people are aware of what they may be getting into, but let's hold off on the torches and pitchforks, especially since it's an invitation only server.

Yeah I was just posting about this when you wrote that.

I'll back off of this and pipe down; this clearly isn't winning me any popularity contests. Life and games will go on whether I think it's worthwhile to play their games or not. I'm not playing on their games and will let their current players hold the lash on any bitching. It's their fight, not mine.

Also, for the record, I've heard they're very nice people RL and I wouldnt be doing this if I didn't hope that they'd get out of that cycle of making everything about themselves, because they are very creative, active, and tend to run games with interesting themes. I think, with some control-related tweaks to opening games up to player input, constructively, they could do really well.

Hindsight20/20 leading off with that would have been more constructive and made me look less like a trolly cunt.

My original point stands. If self-centered people continue to open and run games, this hobby will eventually die. This is a pattern of behavior that I think current players should be keyed into.

Take it or leave it.

@Admiral said in The 100: The Mush:

The 'me too' pillowforting is real.

@Auspice If you mean that I'm playing a Dumbledore who posted some snide shit about people I don't like and then a whole bunch of people went BarkBarkBark and I'm doing the WhateverWeWillForgetAboutThisNextWeek thing because my original post of HeyGuysIFoundSomeIntel! was probably ill-advised and a bit FuckThoseGuys in nature...and now their buddies are having a GhostIsAShitheadFest and I'm eating it for the next 2-3 pages of this thread???

Then, yeah, I'm probably a Dumbledore at the moment.

@Kestrel said in The 100: The Mush:

@Ghost said in The 100: The Mush:

I dislike they way they abuse their players by putting themselves first

Abuse their players, wow. You know this isn't actually the first time you've made this metaphor, and at this point I'm thinking you have some unresolved issues you need to see yourself through.

I'm sorry, did someone open a game to their liking and others' of their own free volition, during their own free time and free of charge, which you didn't like, when you were younger? Child abuse is all too common in this day in age. As always, boo, we're here for you.

That's a bit of a stretch there, but entertaining.

Look, people, again, I don't like the way they run games and I had a few free minutes to thumb tap during a smoke break about it. If you don't agree with my opinion, then move on. They have a pattern of what I feel is selfish behavior and I think it hurts the hobby.

Value my opinion or don't. It'll be the 4500th most important thing you did today. We aren't curing cancer here; we are a bunch of internet text based roleplayers who use former BBS/UNIX shell type environments to rp being wizards and stuff.

I have an opinion. Yay. We'll all live thru this, I promise.

Hey, I have an opinion and this is an internet forum. As someone who partakes in and enjoys the hobby, on this forum, I'm well within my right to think that these two people hurt the hobby.

Blah blah BUTTHURT blah blah troll bleeding vagina. I think these guys suck. No amount of speculation as to why I'm posting this or some kind of super regular forum flame defense krewe y'all throw is anything we haven't seen twice a week on this damn board.

If you don't like it, move on with life. I don't like what they do and how they treat players. OhmyGodHeHasOpinunz

It's not the end of the world.

And if I want to drop a post to point out that these guys might have ditched all of their 100 players to regroup for another game, whatevs, it's topical to the post. I'm just dropping some Intel I heard that fits their M.O. in the proper location.

@GirlCalledBlu This must be awesome for the 100 players who made the cut!

@thelonelol said in The 100: The Mush:

@Ghost

Actually, no. They closed The 100 for the very reasons that were listed.

Also, your hatred-boner for them has crossed the line from slightly amusing (albeit off the freaking mark so much) and into the realm of obnoxious conspiracy theorists.

Please shut the hell up already.

Hah. Nice try to wax my point as a hatredboner to play some kind of forum defense. Old trick.

I dislike they way they abuse their players by putting themselves first, and this thread has more than anything shown I'm not the only one who feels this way. Try to write it off as some personal hatredbonerlulz all that you want. This hobby won't survive if the people who run games keep putting themselves first and keep fucking players over. I'm sure I don't need to tell your buddies this, they'll see you threw forum defense option #43 in their defense. Good for you.

I won't be missing out on any game time in this miraculously fast turnaround on 5w's return. I wont be there. Was just passing along to the players of 100 that 100's owners started up a new game within 20 days or so.

P.S. I like your new forum handle. Who were you before? Care to share? Forum trick #2, eh?

@GangOfDolls said in The 100: The Mush:

Yeah, it's sad to see a game die before its time. The game runners mentioned their observations and reasons for closing, which boiled down to a mix of staffing failures to recognize and correct problems before it was too late, theme and cooperation problems, and rushing through plot.

No mention if it might ever reboot or try again but my sense is that it's not likely, at least under the current owners.

Note: Within 23 days their old game, Fifth World, is ramping back up again. Most of the houses are run by their characters and the game is largely centric to their characters and plot.

The point I'm trying to make is that approx 20 days of closing 100, Fifth World is reopening. One should probably question if they cut 100 off because they got bored with it and wanted to go back to a different setting, and not for whatever reasons they listed. 20 days is a pretty fast turnaround time, yo.

Fool me once? Shame on me
Fool me twice, shame on you
Fool me seven ti-oh what the fuck...

Update: I'm still excited as shit about this game.

@Roz ...like Mass Effect 3 and the rush job there.

In DA:O I got a dwarf and an elf to have gay male sex.

Ferelden took a big step towards civil rights that night.

I would play a Star Trek MU, especially if in the newly envisioned universe. I would also play a GotG themed Marvel game.

As to the idea of a pay to play MU?

Fuck that. Fuck that so much.

It seems half of the time I play a game, there are elements of staff and other players who cannot be expected to be ethical for free. The one saving grace that makes me eyeroll INSTEAD of getting angry at them for being unethical cunts is that it's free. It's not as if I was paying for a service and they took my money, pulled unethical OOC bullshit, and ran. I would say easily a third of the people who run MUs shouldn't be trusted with simple, free, fair ethics, let alone anything resembling monetary transactions.

Point in case: Zero from New Jedi Order was taking PayPal "donations" to boost people's characters, run scenes for them, etc. Like a pay to play mmorpg environment. The end result is people complained about paying for things and never receiving them, and his lack of grace turned to a lot of badmouthing his critics.

So. Yeah. Let's never change the landscape of this corner of the hobby from "for us by us" to "money making venture".

... I'm sorry that you don't like that we closed a game that you were having fun on because it wasn't going our way.

EDIT:
... I'm sorry that you don't like that we closed another game that you were having fun on because it wasn't going our way.

If any of you are upset that I just double posted...

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Wait for it...

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...mea tulpa.

@Wizz See? It's totally normal; totally harmless.

I'm sorry that I read this thread before morning coffee.