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@GreenFlashlight said in Separating Art From Artist:

"Oh, he's just a product of his time, you can't blame him for his beliefs" only ever applies to white people?

Not to split hairs, here, but I dont think this is an accurate absolute statement. Only is a pretty strong word.

If one could say that if a black man growing up in Compton in the early 90s and joining the Long Beach Crips was a product of his time, even if during that period they were brought up on murder charges...

They can still get carpet treatment at the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards...

So, OOOOONLY? I contest that. Usually? I like usually.

Its arguable (rumor has it he was kicked out of LBC), but I'm pretty sure his beliefs no longer include putting holes in the side of people's White Sox caps.

@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:

ETA: Like, I added that preface to the sentence because I thought to myself, "Self, someone is going to make the nonsensical accusation that I am saying OP can single-handedly rain down book-burnings and op-ed bannings, better make sure to close up that loophole." I am a failure.

No, we're not saying that. Stop groping that straw man.

You're the one equating personal views with advocacy for censorship.

No, Pandora added that ETA because they thought someone was gonna think they were saying that.

@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:

ETA: Like, I added that preface to the sentence because I thought to myself, "Self, someone is going to make the nonsensical accusation that I am saying OP can single-handedly rain down book-burnings and op-ed bannings, better make sure to close up that loophole." I am a failure.

Heh. I'm reading you clearly. It never once occurred to me that you were trying to say that.

Unless OP actually does wield the power to Thanos-snap and determine which content is or is not acceptable for people to view. In that case, now is the time to start binge watching harem anime and Sons of Anarchy.

Technically, fish-scaled people with webbed fingers in the service of Cthulhu or Dagon is techincally diversity. They gave up their whiteness for fish scales.

@Pandora So you're saying that to combat the horrors of bias we shouldn't be allowed to replace one bias with another bias, and that in doing so it's promoting bias (which we established needs to be combatted?)?

You radical.

Aint it weird that "FUCK CENSORSHIP" was the progressive platform of 1994 and now it's the right-wing platform, and that "CENSOR EVERYTHING" is the new progressive platform? Chuck them 26 years down the drain omgthatwasfucking26yearsago#old

@RightMeow You the bomb, meow. Youthebomb.

I double dare someone to disagree.

@Tinuviel I also think this is a lot easier with novels and music than it is film/tv.

With novels, you can absolutely impact an author if they start spouting white nationalism. The boycott of the book will absolutely hit the intended target. I think back to Pantera when Phil Anselmo was talking a bunch of White Power stuff at his concerts. Dimebag and Vinnie Paul hated that he did this, but again, the core target was 4 guys and as a result the 4 guys got a reputation for one person's (some say 2, Rex) stances acting as a reflection of the whole.

HOWEVER, then you get to TV/Movies. No one is entirely sure who gets residuals for what, but there are a lot more moving parts. (exception: tour coordinators for bigger bands. Metallica has something like 20 semi-trailers of stuff, roadies, etc.)

Technically, you can try to boycott/harm Bill Cosby, but in seeking to make him feel an impact you're also potentially impacting the entire cast of the Cosby show. Weinstein/Spacey? You boycott them and it would cover The Usual Suspects, where likely ever single caterer to key grip aren't responsible for their actions any more than Kevin Pollack, Stephen Baldwin, Gabriel Byrne...

I think at the end of the day you're talking about attempts to turn public dislike/cancel culture/etc into reputational attacks that aren't truly a scalpel incising a cancer. The desire to affect the source of the dislike can often grow greater than the logic behind the attack vector.

Interesting headspace. Lots of gray area and things to think about.

FWIW most of Lovecraft's works are now public domain. What remains is a little gray area such as Chaosium holding a trademark for "Call of Cthulhu" and some other phrases.

So to my knowledge not only can you reproduce your own HP Lovecraft content unchecked (up to and including releasing and re-selling his pre 1923 work without much fear of legal repercussion), but also the man has been dead since 1937 and is unable to benefit from the sales of derivative cash streams related to his creations.

Whatever your opinions are of his xenophobic undertones, the majority of his work that is appreciated remains to be about underwater psychic fish people cults, underground madness-inducing blobby polyps, Antarctic bug people, and the like. Most people are unaware, don't care, or simply don't produce his old poetry about race and overt human-level xenophobia.

My point is that while Lovecraft himself as a person is definitely a topic, Volkwagen delivered 11 million or so vehicles in 2019, and the VW product itself is no longer really associated with its origin during the 3rd Reich anymore than the vast majority of people reading about the Cthulhu mythos to do out of support of Lovecraft's racism.

@Auspice Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if those opinions are wrong and held by people who arent accustomed to the deeper, more avant-garde undertones of Cine-muhhhhh.

Anyway, I liked it. I also think that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is remarkably wooden. I don't think he's great, and I thought his Christmas song with Zoey Dessschuntelll was pretentious. Fkn hipsters and their Conor Oberst shit.

@Auspice Nope. I really did just watch it again. I love it. F.A.K.U

Just watched Inception again (haven't watched it in a few years). So fucking good.

And why do YOU guys RP?

Follow up terms now being used a lot by my SO and I.

Ferda.
Hundo P.
Tooo beh faiiiiyuh
Pitter-patter
YesYESyesyesYES (awww fuck)

I take no responsibility for this derail

@Ganymede I like the character, but yeah, the actress is the weakest link on the show. Roald is a secondary character and has more laughs per screen time. At least that's my impression by season 3.

My favorite season 3 thing is how they expanded on Jonesy and Reilly past being just about Katy.

@Auspice I hope you get haunted by a ghost that excels in Pee Wee Herman impressions.

@Auspice You built off a response to my previous post OMFG UPVOTE MY SHIT YOU PHILISTINE

Lost In Vegas two black guys who aren't metalheads (primarily rap/r&b) listening to metal songs for the first time and critiquing. They also share their own favorite music with metalheads.

If I wrote a thesis about my theory that heavy metal and rap are both sides of the same coin (only with 2 different audiences), this would be part of my chief argument.

I just got "chel".

Reilly and Jonesy are all "chel before praccy" and I was trying to figure out whatever the fuck chel was. I looked it up and lololol.

When the NHL video game goes:

ENNN...
AAAAYY
CHEL

fuckin love it. Is that an actual thing in Canuckia?

I'm now on season 3 and love the shirtless model dudes after 2 season of clothes not being Katys forte. Turnabout is fail play.

I could watch her punt girls between the legs all day, and I mean that not in some kind of ball busting fetish way. I mean that more in a "My SO knows so many girls worth muff punting and would support her doing so and be all THERES MAH BABY if she did" way. Katy is a fucking badass.