@Lotherio said in Separating Art From Artist:
@Ghost said in Separating Art From Artist:
voted against it being legalized in my state
You SOB, so depressed I'm gonna go to Colorado while listening to my Conor Oberst collection.
You do that.
Because I don't live in Colorado.
And I wont accidentally have to hear Conor Oberst
lol
#notahaiku
So is Mark Twain in the same category as HP Lovecraft?
@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:
Choosing to officially affiliate with a particular party is mind-boggling to me. But then again so is 'deciding not to vote.'
Yeah. But that's our Stateside infancy in creating good government and elections.
You can register "Independent", but if you want to participate in the Primaries most states require you to be a member of the party running the primaries (think: Democrat-only election votes to help whittle down which of the 22 Democrats who are going up against Trump) or else you cant vote in the primaries at all.
@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:
@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:
Who you voted for is not public unless you tell someone. Whether or not you voted, and whether you lean Democrat or Republican, can be part of the public record.
Is it leaning, or party registration? Apparently that's a bigger thing out there than I'm used to seeing.
Party affiliation and whether or not you voted can be part of public record. The general public does not have access to the details of your votes.
You can confirm that Steve Berberkinberk, a Republican, voted in 1950 and assume how they voted, but do not have access to the hard data for aggregation.
ETA: and THANK GOD for this because I don't need my friends who smoke weed finding out that I voted against it being legalized in my state.
Miyamoto Musashi is believed to have killed hundreds of people and was never defeated in 60 duels. He eventually died peacefully but not before writing philosophical tenets to guide future generations.
Product of his times? Yea. He probably tested how many bodies a blade was worth and is probably responsible for a few hundred funerals.
He is revered by the Japanese and his sword is considered a national treasure.
Not a white guy. So, yeah, I still gotta contest that only.
@GreenFlashlight said in Separating Art From Artist:
"Oh, he's just a product of his time, you can't blame him for his beliefs" only ever applies to white people?
Not to split hairs, here, but I dont think this is an accurate absolute statement. Only is a pretty strong word.
If one could say that if a black man growing up in Compton in the early 90s and joining the Long Beach Crips was a product of his time, even if during that period they were brought up on murder charges...
They can still get carpet treatment at the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards...
So, OOOOONLY? I contest that. Usually? I like usually.
Its arguable (rumor has it he was kicked out of LBC), but I'm pretty sure his beliefs no longer include putting holes in the side of people's White Sox caps.
@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:
@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:
ETA: Like, I added that preface to the sentence because I thought to myself, "Self, someone is going to make the nonsensical accusation that I am saying OP can single-handedly rain down book-burnings and op-ed bannings, better make sure to close up that loophole." I am a failure.
No, we're not saying that. Stop groping that straw man.
You're the one equating personal views with advocacy for censorship.
No, Pandora added that ETA because they thought someone was gonna think they were saying that.
@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:
ETA: Like, I added that preface to the sentence because I thought to myself, "Self, someone is going to make the nonsensical accusation that I am saying OP can single-handedly rain down book-burnings and op-ed bannings, better make sure to close up that loophole." I am a failure.
Heh. I'm reading you clearly. It never once occurred to me that you were trying to say that.
Unless OP actually does wield the power to Thanos-snap and determine which content is or is not acceptable for people to view. In that case, now is the time to start binge watching harem anime and Sons of Anarchy.
Technically, fish-scaled people with webbed fingers in the service of Cthulhu or Dagon is techincally diversity. They gave up their whiteness for fish scales.
@Pandora So you're saying that to combat the horrors of bias we shouldn't be allowed to replace one bias with another bias, and that in doing so it's promoting bias (which we established needs to be combatted?)?
You radical.
Aint it weird that "FUCK CENSORSHIP" was the progressive platform of 1994 and now it's the right-wing platform, and that "CENSOR EVERYTHING" is the new progressive platform? Chuck them 26 years down the drain omgthatwasfucking26yearsago#old
@RightMeow You the bomb, meow. Youthebomb.
@Tinuviel I also think this is a lot easier with novels and music than it is film/tv.
With novels, you can absolutely impact an author if they start spouting white nationalism. The boycott of the book will absolutely hit the intended target. I think back to Pantera when Phil Anselmo was talking a bunch of White Power stuff at his concerts. Dimebag and Vinnie Paul hated that he did this, but again, the core target was 4 guys and as a result the 4 guys got a reputation for one person's (some say 2, Rex) stances acting as a reflection of the whole.
HOWEVER, then you get to TV/Movies. No one is entirely sure who gets residuals for what, but there are a lot more moving parts. (exception: tour coordinators for bigger bands. Metallica has something like 20 semi-trailers of stuff, roadies, etc.)
Technically, you can try to boycott/harm Bill Cosby, but in seeking to make him feel an impact you're also potentially impacting the entire cast of the Cosby show. Weinstein/Spacey? You boycott them and it would cover The Usual Suspects, where likely ever single caterer to key grip aren't responsible for their actions any more than Kevin Pollack, Stephen Baldwin, Gabriel Byrne...
I think at the end of the day you're talking about attempts to turn public dislike/cancel culture/etc into reputational attacks that aren't truly a scalpel incising a cancer. The desire to affect the source of the dislike can often grow greater than the logic behind the attack vector.
Interesting headspace. Lots of gray area and things to think about.
FWIW most of Lovecraft's works are now public domain. What remains is a little gray area such as Chaosium holding a trademark for "Call of Cthulhu" and some other phrases.
So to my knowledge not only can you reproduce your own HP Lovecraft content unchecked (up to and including releasing and re-selling his pre 1923 work without much fear of legal repercussion), but also the man has been dead since 1937 and is unable to benefit from the sales of derivative cash streams related to his creations.
Whatever your opinions are of his xenophobic undertones, the majority of his work that is appreciated remains to be about underwater psychic fish people cults, underground madness-inducing blobby polyps, Antarctic bug people, and the like. Most people are unaware, don't care, or simply don't produce his old poetry about race and overt human-level xenophobia.
My point is that while Lovecraft himself as a person is definitely a topic, Volkwagen delivered 11 million or so vehicles in 2019, and the VW product itself is no longer really associated with its origin during the 3rd Reich anymore than the vast majority of people reading about the Cthulhu mythos to do out of support of Lovecraft's racism.
@Auspice Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if those opinions are wrong and held by people who arent accustomed to the deeper, more avant-garde undertones of Cine-muhhhhh.
Anyway, I liked it. I also think that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is remarkably wooden. I don't think he's great, and I thought his Christmas song with Zoey Dessschuntelll was pretentious. Fkn hipsters and their Conor Oberst shit.
@Auspice Nope. I really did just watch it again. I love it. F.A.K.U
Just watched Inception again (haven't watched it in a few years). So fucking good.
Follow up terms now being used a lot by my SO and I.
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Pitter-patter
YesYESyesyesYES (awww fuck)
I take no responsibility for this derail