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@Auspice I will pass this along to Mr. Ghost. Thank you.

@surreality said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Ghost said in Separating Art From Artist:

I will pre-pen an apology to anyone whose home is inadvertently stormed by the FBI and rounded up to be placed in people who disagreed with me jail as a result of the opinions in said paragraph. It was not my intent to drive the FBI to, without evidence, arrest people for behavior they are not partaking in based on my opinions alone.

Tell you what... when you can find where I said that's the potential problem, I'll stop believing this is the second instance of putting words in other people's mouths in this brief conversation. I will otherwise maintain my stance that doing that is Not Cool.

Mr. Ghost's legal counsel, here on their behalf.

I have advised my client as to their options in conducting this conversation, and as a result have advised them not to pore through a post to determine where said 'person' said something was a potential problem. My client has advised me that they do not wish to become 'Not Cool', and as a result has asked me to impart to you their deepest condolences for any damage done, up to and including FBI raids as a result of this line of conversation.

We ask you to respect their wishes to uphold their promise to Tinuviel to no longer post in regards to this topic.

Sincerely,
Ted "Brotosaurus" Lawyerstein

@surreality

1. I told Tin that would be the last I posted on that issue on this thread.
2. Word

I will pre-pen an apology to anyone whose home is inadvertently stormed by the FBI and rounded up to be placed in people who disagreed with me jail as a result of the opinions in said paragraph. It was not my intent to drive the FBI to, without evidence, arrest people for behavior they are not partaking in based on my opinions alone.

I will endeavor to, in the future, hold myself to a higher level of accountability for the lives ruined by my MSB posts.

Moving on.

@surreality I hope no one's life gets ruined by that paragraph. Let me know.

1. I told Tin that was the last i posted about that topic on this thread.
2. jazzed to be off of block

@Auspice Oooh good point about the lettering. I hadn't thought of that. I also know of some comic artists who still work physical, and I think that's great.

TBH I'm trying to move over to digital because I like being able to control layers and work through them without the risk of erasing and smudging, but 100% props to people doing it physical.

Random thought.

When I was a kid in the early 80s my neighbor's mom had a job where she drew advertisements. Before the internet era people actually did photography with darkroom and drew pictures of the product for catalogs (the SEARS catalog was a powerful force back then).

It made me think about how back in the day comic book artists, graphic artists, etc were basically contracted to draw something and then securely transport what was likely the original copy of the work to their employer. These days there are drawing tablets where your mistakes are eraseable. I'm not saying the older artists were more talented, but the risk of destruction of their work (and/or needed rework) was much higher.

It then made me think about how industries are changing. I'm sure the art supply industry has taken at least a little bit of a hit due to people moving away from paper and pencil (I say a little bit because there are plenty who still use physical art supplies), much in the same way that the lightbulb industry is bringing in a lot less cash due to LED bulbs lasting longer.

Anyway, I always thought it was cool that Ryan's mom did that. In a way it's kind of a lost art.

@Groth Died doing it, but met that goal. In my manager's book that's "Meets Expectations". I'd call it a win.

ETA. My phone auto corrected manager to master. Fuck you, phone.

@surreality You missed my point. Reread.

@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Ghost said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Tinuviel It applied to the concept of separating the art from artist. That's the last I'm gonna say about it in this thread.

I should just type up an essay on it on livejournal and then post a tinyurl link to it if it comes up again, kinda like my whole SSH vs telnet thing.

<insert repeat of other threads in a pre-prepared format thank you by-eeee>

It's just going to be us shouting "fuck you, I'm right in this very particular and semantically specific way" back and forth at each other until the universe dies.

If humans could harness this scenario into a form of clean, renewable energy, our energy bills would be about $0.02 per month.

@Tinuviel It applied to the concept of separating the art from artist. That's the last I'm gonna say about it in this thread.

I should just type up an essay on it on livejournal and then post a tinyurl link to it if it comes up again, kinda like my whole SSH vs telnet thing.

<insert repeat of other threads in a pre-prepared format thank you by-eeee>

@insomniac7809 said in Separating Art From Artist:

Of course, Lovecraft died in 1937, so by buying one of his books you aren't supporting a non-profit dedicated to the removal of civil rights the way you are by picking up Ender's Game.

Fuck. Yea. Dude. Fistbump. Orson Scott Card. Ugh.

As for Twain, I know. I was trying to be a bit more tongue in cheek when I wrote that. Clemens wasn't a hateful racist. In fact, the point of Huck and Jim's relationship was actually intended to be positive, so all n-bombs aside theres this part of me that still kind of feels that changing the writing to Harper Jum doesn't change the story, but it does lessen Twain's often brilliant tongue in cheek wisdom.

@Tinuviel I had the pleasure once of watching an interview with Will Poulter about the release of Detroit. In it he plays a racist cop responsible for interrogations, beatings, murder (based on real events). It has become my benchmark that I keep in mind as to what seeing an artist separating themselves from the art should look like. I think about this when topics like "can someone write a racist character and not be racist?" come into play.

Not to go back to HP Lovecraft, but you dont see HP Lovecraft writings where he approaches his use of racial language like Will does in this clip. There's no "this was very cathartic for me, getting into the mind of this kind of person to generate that kind of dialogue" with HP, but there is with Will.

I am truly fine with any stone being turned in a story so long as there is a purpose behind it. Nothing so cruel or hateful should ever be fun, and on the other side of it any author/actor/etc should be able to explain the deep dive that they took to portray that kind of thing.

At that point, I can separate the art from the artist.

ETA: But those dudes asking for lolli scenes on PenDes and other games like that aren't some vision of Jeremy Irons or Poulter going "I was challenged by this role to the point that I sought therapy after writing this horrible, horrible role...". Nah, those guys are more like "let me do my thing".

@Kestrel said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Ghost: I 100% do not separate art from artist in the context of paedophilia. And I have been pretty vocal about it.

Right. There are absolutely people (like you) that are on the "never accept it" meal plan for that and I really like that about you.

@Derp Right. Perspectives and cultural differences can result in a valid argument for most things. Some things are likely not to have a valid argument: sexual assault, genocide, domestic abuse, getting a baby monkey addicted to meth. Other things, the definition starts to differ and people take up stances that could only ever be the correct stance. Bias exclusions end up getting made, the goalposts shift, and some cultural differences then become about whose culture is more correct.

Example.

There's a hobby out there on the internet that hand-waves the existence of people roleplaying hardcore sex as-or-with minors and don't fight against it because doing so might result in their own ability to play on those games put in jeopardy. So despite the ABUNDANCE of people with stories about being minors on these hardcore sex games, Why rock the boat? Age is just a number and who are we to interrupt any of this? Be cool, bro.

Yet, if we can separate the art from the artist on these artistic online MUs where many people openly state that they play idealized versions of themselves and separate the pedophiles from the pedophilia roleplay, then maybe that's where the bar should be set on where people in the hobby accuse other writers of using their art to display their negative personal beliefs?

Worth thinking about.

@ZombieGenesis

Yanno the part that always sucks about a famous pro wrestler dying is that a number of them were actual, living heroes to me when I was a kid.

@Lotherio said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Ghost said in Separating Art From Artist:

voted against it being legalized in my state

You SOB, so depressed I'm gonna go to Colorado while listening to my Conor Oberst collection.

You do that.
Because I don't live in Colorado.
And I wont accidentally have to hear Conor Oberst

lol

#notahaiku

So is Mark Twain in the same category as HP Lovecraft?

@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:

Choosing to officially affiliate with a particular party is mind-boggling to me. But then again so is 'deciding not to vote.'

Yeah. But that's our Stateside infancy in creating good government and elections.

You can register "Independent", but if you want to participate in the Primaries most states require you to be a member of the party running the primaries (think: Democrat-only election votes to help whittle down which of the 22 Democrats who are going up against Trump) or else you cant vote in the primaries at all.

@Tinuviel said in Separating Art From Artist:

@Pandora said in Separating Art From Artist:

Who you voted for is not public unless you tell someone. Whether or not you voted, and whether you lean Democrat or Republican, can be part of the public record.

Is it leaning, or party registration? Apparently that's a bigger thing out there than I'm used to seeing.

Party affiliation and whether or not you voted can be part of public record. The general public does not have access to the details of your votes.

You can confirm that Steve Berberkinberk, a Republican, voted in 1950 and assume how they voted, but do not have access to the hard data for aggregation.

ETA: and THANK GOD for this because I don't need my friends who smoke weed finding out that I voted against it being legalized in my state.

Miyamoto Musashi is believed to have killed hundreds of people and was never defeated in 60 duels. He eventually died peacefully but not before writing philosophical tenets to guide future generations.

Product of his times? Yea. He probably tested how many bodies a blade was worth and is probably responsible for a few hundred funerals.

He is revered by the Japanese and his sword is considered a national treasure.

Not a white guy. So, yeah, I still gotta contest that only.