@Auspice gonna see the hell outta that
Posts made by Ghost
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@insomniac7809 Yeah, I think it's fucking stupid. There's also this part of me that wants to be a hipster about it and declare that movies need to go back to being more about art and less about some rich fuckers financing these films as part of a wealth building project.
My friend in the industry bitches about this a lot. "Hollywood doesn't take chances" is pretty much his mantra. He's in the horror genre, and told me that ever since Blair Witch (horror example) that Hollywood wants those films that took $200,000 to shoot (low risk) but become a cult classic and nets them 200+ million.
That's why you get all of the ballsy films as lower budget. "Call Me By My Name" was a story about a young man exploring his homosexuality. Cost 3 million to shoot and made 41 million. Darren Aronofsky's "Mother!" was weird as hell and had a 30 million budget and ended up with some 45 million. "The Shape of Water" had a lady FUCKING A FISH MAN, and cost 20mil to make and came ended up making decent money and got best picture.
Fantastic Beasts/Grindewold cost 200mil to make and came back with some 645mil worldwide. When it comes to those movies, Star Wars, Marvel the execs often bet on Russian/Chinese money because US viewers dont bring in the guaranteed cash they used to.
Anyway, the fucking money game in movies is huge and filled with stupid stuff like casting Chris Pratt in everything because he "tracks well with the 14-35 age range".
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Pandora said in Fandom and entitlement:
@Ghost said in Fandom and entitlement:
Apparently not. You mean the one from 11 hours ago? Uh, sure? Anyway my response was to insomniac's post but it wasn't directly to him so I didn't tag him.
Yes, 11 hours ago. We can't all be around 24/7 like you, @Ghost some of us have real lives.
Cool.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Pandora said in Fandom and entitlement:
@Ghost said in Fandom and entitlement:
@Pandora It wasnt meant to be related to your comment.
Do you even pay attention when posting? I obviously responded to the post in which you quoted me.
Apparently not. You mean the one from 11 hours ago? Uh, sure? Anyway my response was to insomniac's post but it wasn't directly to him so I didn't tag him.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Pandora It wasnt meant to be related to your comment. My knowledge of casting decisions comes from a contact/family friend I have in the movie industry. Feel free to disagree as you wish.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
Not that I think it's entirely right, but when you're attempting to finance a movie that costs over 170 million to make + 100 million in advertising, and you're told that not digging too deeply into any subject matter in the movie could be the difference between losing 10 million or profiting 50+ million...it may not be the entitlement answer people want, but for the super high budget money making projects these movies are, it makes sense.
There are movies where it's wrong to avoid the content, and movies where it's more reasonable to downplay it. In the end you've got to understand that the huge budget movie companies that fund these movies are less concerned about whether or not specific wishes are met and more about the investment.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@BetterNow said in Good or New Movies Review:
@Ghost I wish we'd gotten some better looks at the others. There was another MUTO, the mammoth, Kumonga, the one from the mountain that may or may not have been Anguirus, but they said 17, so with G, Rodan, Ghidorah, and Mothra, and Kong that is 8 others we haven't seen yet.
And God I hope we see them. I know Kong vs (His Eminence the One and True King) Gojira is greenlit, but I hope they bring in enough cheddar to keep going after that. I'd love to see some classic "Gojira loses his shit and Queen Mosura kicks his ass into being chill again" kaiju combat.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@BetterNow said in Good or New Movies Review:
@Ghost They moved Mothra's site to China in the film, so it made sense. Godzilla was Japan's, Mothra China, Rodan Mexico. Ghidorah....not from around here XD
That makes more sense, then. Mosura is a Chinese Kaiju!
I almost laughed seeing Kumonga (spider) ravaging my state.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Sparks I have high hopes that with all of the potential "Young Avengers" build up in endgame and the Wanda/Vision show coming up that we're about to get the most adorable and legit gay Marvel couple (at least my own personal fave) soon:
Hulkling and Wiccan
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@Sparks Hell yes.
I'm gonna say it's my favorite since Godzilla 2000, which is my go-to Gojira flick.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@Jaded I can kinda understand the complaint about Ziyi Zhang (a Chinese woman) playing the "Mosurrrraaaaaaaa" twins (who are famously a couple of Japanese girls), but the incorporation of the Mothra theme song into the soundtrack was amazing, and so was Ken Watanabe.
I remember reading something about Godzilla (2014) where Ken said that it was important for him to not say "Godzilla" as his lines. He said "Gojira", because not a lot of westerners understand that "Gojira" isn't some ESL dubbed Japanese guy failing to say "Godzilla". No. In Japan "Gojira" is his name, as are Mosura, Ghidorah, Rodan, etc.
I pretty much like everything Ken Watanabe is done; that dude is fantastic on and off-screen.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Arkandel Maybe! I mean, just today a coworker of mine was telling me about how great Rocketman, but still mentioned that some "guy on guy" stuff on screen happened and he joked about covering his eyes like he was some kid refusing to eat asparagus.
I think there have also been some major strides, but you're always gonna have people that jabber about character relationships. Who should Brienne of Tarth fuck? Are Poe and Finn shipworthy? Iirc there was also some outcry recently about some character who was once believed to be gay, but then started sleeping with a female character, and despite writers talking about pansexuality some people felt like that character's queerness was erased.
I don't think this topic is really about movies as it is people identifying/weighing public judgment on them through response to TV and movie decisions, which, if I'm right, means that movie casting decisions, awards given, and decisions in scripts aren't going to be the answer. Its just one so-called battleground to a bigger conversation that cannot be solved by tv and film.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
I think that realistically there are a few factors/questions that need to be kept in mind when it comes to "how X is depicted" (be it so-called whitewashing, racial casting, queerness in major film franchises, etc):
- Understanding that the public is divided to a crazy degree on all things, one has to understand that there is no perfect answer
All a movie studio can do is try to not do something purposefully offensive while trying to implement content (I.e. you may have preferred more from Dumby/Grindy, but the final depiction may be where writers (or the final cut) felt the content was best without distracting from the rest of the story)
- At what point is 'good enough'?
You hear a lot about how movies need to do more of this, less of that, more representation here, more screen time for this, but you dont really ever hear about what the end goal is. 10+ years ago people were hoping to see more positive queer relationships on screen, and since then it's become more regular to see queer sex scenes, relationships, etc. At what point has the goal been met? At what point are people moving the goalposts because they want more?
This is all rhetorical, mind you.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@Lotherio said in Good or New Movies Review:
@BetterNow said in Good or New Movies Review:
guy in a rubber chicken suit.
Come on now, it wasn't that bad back in the day...
Bobcat.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Pandora said in Fandom and entitlement:
like gays are a distraction that had better have a good excuse for existing.
I don't think this is necessarily true. Clearly the public is divided on certain subjects, and with that has come a bit of division on what people want to see on screen.
I think people forget sometimes that these movie studios are in the business of trying to grab as much money as possible when a movie is released, so they try to hit that sweet spot where as many people as possible will tell TAKE MY MONEY. Out of focus groups, polls, etc they try to digure out demographically what will track well with audiences. If 80% of the people polled said "I dont care if the relationship on screen is LGBTQ+, but would rather not see sex on the screen" and 20% said "I would not see this movie unless there's a sex scene", the smart movie studio goes with the 80% (just an example).
I think people sometimes read waaaaaay too much into casting decisions or screentime decisions as being about social politics and representation, when it's probably more accurate to say that in INDIE production there's more of that and in MAJOR studios it's a lot more...demographics and cash intake forecasting.
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RE: RL things I love
I love my life.
Currently someone is claiming my SO 'threatened them' because she made a joke about how someone should shit on their car.
I wish I could make this up. We went from telepathic alien communication last week to apparently being a part of some vicious ring of threatening 'car shitters' this week.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
@Roz said in Good or New Movies Review:
Mothra, Queen of the Monsters, is my new Goddess.
All hail!
Mosuuuuraaaaaaaa Queen of the Monsters.
Mosura was majestic as hell, and they properly channeled the savage nobility of Gojira. I simply don't get why this movie isn't being touted as an extremely solid entry in the series.
I think it was the best Gojira story since Godzilla 2000.
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RE: Good or New Movies Review
People are out of their fucking minds for giving Godzilla a low Rotten Tomatos score.
Out. Of. They. Minds.
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RE: Fandom and entitlement
@Auspice No wonder the house elves and Hogwarts janitor were such assholes.