Posts made by Miss Demeanor

@Coin @Arkandel

One: No one should ever make decisions as staff from their character bit. EVER. I cannot stress this enough. And no, ST's don't get to be 'special' in that regard. Its entirely unethical to make staff-level decisions from your player bit. There's a -reason- you have a staff bit. Even as a Staff ST, you have a designated Staff bit. So you can separate what you do as a player from what you do as a Staffer. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Two: Coin, I expect you to start giving every staffer the rewards you intend to give your Staff ST's, then. They aren't taking any less time and effort away from their own characters to help out a game as any ST, staff or player alike. So why do they get fucked out of the xp and not the ST's? I can toss down a standard 'damsel in distress' scenario for a group of people in five minutes flat, and I can get xp for that because I'm 'taking time and effort away from my own character for others' enjoyment'. Why should I not be getting that xp for doing the exact same thing in the form of approving others' xp spends and build requests? You're putting ST's on a pedestal for their efforts while telling other staffers 'sorry, you aren't special enough to get this reward that they do even though you're putting in no less time and effort'.

Three: I started out in this thread trying to help clarify something that @Sunny said. I kept going because @Ganymede was asking questions, so I answered. You and Ark continued commentary, so I responded. These are my beliefs about staffing and ST'ing, so what's the problem? Its a discussion that revolves around who believes what when it comes to player vs staff run plot, and that includes ethics. You are welcome to your beliefs about staffing and STing, that doesn't mean I won't think you strange or wrong for having them when they fly directly in the face of my own.

Also... doing it any other way isn't ethically problematic FOR YOU. MY experience has shown it to be extremely problematic. Try taking your own medicine there, sweetie.

@Arkandel You misquoted. I didn't say that. I'm -against- Staff ST's gaining xp for doing their staffly duties.

And player-run plots are JUST as important as staff plots, in their own way. It can take weeks or months to build up a really good sphere/meta plot arc. In that interim, player run plots help to fill that void while staff work up the next round of Dire Threat to Everything. PRP's helped to keep people active and interested in plot stuffs between large arcs. And that is why it was originally decided that players would get xp for running such things. Where it fell through was when Staff ST's started running staff plot through their player bits so they too could get xp (i.e. they gamed the system). Rather than put a stop to it, ALL plot ended up in player hands and the Staff ST position all but disappeared from existence. Which was a terrible thing, since staff plot then largely disappeared as well. Nobody wanted to be a Staff ST and take the time away from their character to run a plot as a perk-less job when they could run multiple smaller plots from their character bits and get xp from it.

@Coin said:

I just don't see having inside information or more things to mine for plots as a reason why they shouldn't get XP. It just don't work that way in my head. But hey, if it works, good!

It isn't even completely about the XP. I wouldn't want staff running the -major plots- for the sphere/game from the character bit that they absolutely should -never- attempt to make staff-level decisions from. Separation of church and state, man. Use your character bit for YOU, use your staff bit for the GAME.

Edit: Though I still feel giving a staff storyteller xp for running a plot, the thing that is what they signed on to DO, is jank. If you aren't going to hand out xp to all staff for doing their job, then don't make staff storytellers an exception. They signed on to do something specific, just like every other staffer. Why should they be special in getting xp for doing their job when no other staffer gets the same bonus? Every staffer accepts the responsibility of taking time away from their character(s) to help the game as a whole. Whether by running a sphere, doing jobs, mediating between players, storytelling, whatever. If every other staffer that is taking time away from their character to help the game as a whole isn't getting xp for their character bits, Staff ST's should be no different. Players CHOOSE to run plot. They aren't required to. They never accepted storytelling as one of their responsibilities by joining the game as a player. THAT is why they originally got xp for it. As a way of saying 'thank you for taking time to fill up the space between huge sphere/game plots to keep everyone interested while we cook up the next round of insanity'. Staff ST's accept that as a responsibility, a requirement of their position. Not a choice, not a perk, a -requirement-. That is their sole responsibility as Staff. They can still CHOOSE to run other things from their player bit to get xp. But they are by no means -required to do it-. And if they choose to take that time away from their character? They get xp for it, same as every other player.

@Ganymede said:

@Miss-Demeanor said:

Are you going to start giving your Admins and TL's xp for doing jobs?

Of course not. But if you are going to award players with XP for running plots, then why should staff not be able to gain XP for running plots?

I concur with Sunny's sentiment that staff should not enjoy rewards that players can't or don't.

Because your player run plots aren't advancing sphere plots or (hopefully) metaplots. STAFF should be running those things, not players. Staff should have that inside information, not players. That should be a Staff ST's entire job, handling the plots that cannot or should not be handled by players. You want to run a Monster-of-the-Week on your player bit? Fine, go ahead, that's what PRP's are for. You want to run the sphere plot on the player bit that you absolutely should not be adjudicating from as a staffer just so you can get an extra couple xp for your character? No, fuck that, run it on your staff bit and use the MotW and other low level stuff to pad your character sheet with.

@Ganymede said:

@Miss-Demeanor said:

Everything went to player-run (or Staff-run through player bits), which some people used to game the system for bunches of extra XP. I believe she's trying to halt that before it starts.

Why is this a problem?

Are you going to start giving your Admins and TL's xp for doing jobs? Staff ST is still a staff position. Why should they be special and get xp for doing the job they volunteered to do? No other staff can do their staff job and gain xp for it. When they did away with the Staff ST position entirely? Not as big a deal. Don't get me wrong, in general I don't have an issue with PRP's. I have an issue when a single subset of staffer starts get bonuses to their PC for doing their JOB. No other staff get xp for doing their job, why should Staff ST's be special?

If I'm interpreting correctly, I believe @Sunny is trying to move away from an issue that rose up (and killed) Staff STing on HM. i.e. the introduction of being able to gain XP via running plots from your player bit. When some people realized they could run a plot they would normally run from their Staff bit on their player bit to gain XP for that bit... Staff ST's died out pretty quickly. Everything went to player-run (or Staff-run through player bits), which some people used to game the system for bunches of extra XP. I believe she's trying to halt that before it starts.

@Ganymede My family uses it to add crunch and flavor to things like... clam chowder. BUT, only if we cannot get our hands on salt pork for rashers. Because rashers are superior.

Hey, bacon is a valid choice of add-on to many foods. I'm not saying go crazy and make giant balls of bacon or the Leaning Tower of Bacon. But my family has a number of recipes that call for bacon to add flavor and crunch. What a comedian says during a routine or some idiot on the net says right before they have a heart attack is NOT the end-all, be-all of bacon.

I do have to give props to Hellman's for using free-range chicken eggs in their mayo. My mom is a big fan of all things organic, so I was initially a bit o.O when she asked me to pick her up a small jar of Hellman's mayo. Then I caught the little flag and I understood.

I hate both mayo and pickles. Refuse to eat either. I don't even understand WHY I don't like pickles. I like cucumbers, I like vinegar... but the two together have me recoiling in horror. Just a thing. Mayonnaise I just flat out hate the taste of. But, I'm not a huge fan of eggs, either.

Sidenote: I've bought and been given games before. I've even been given items and/or gold in games before. But some of my GW2 guildies and friends can also say that I've spent a metric butt-ton of gold on them in return. I have nothing against being given or giving things, but I refuse to ask for something or congratulate someone for getting something 'because I'm a girl and therefore helpless'. That's just disingenuous and horrible and plays into the exact stereotype most of us gaming girls have been fighting decades to get rid of. That we're inferior players and thus need special aid because of our gender. So no. No 'good on them' for perpetuating a stereotype that leads to more girls being harassed on games because we happen to be female. Fuck those bitches.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Dammit, I liked Rowdy Roddy!!

Huh. I didn't realize there were people that didn't call it a flash drive.

I have to ask... has the upgrade been worth it? My son has a laptop with 8.1 that's been driving him up a wall... but he mostly youtubes and plays Steam games/Minecraft on it, which seems like one of the things that are being troubled by the upgrade. I was hoping the jump to 10 would help him out with this, but all I've been hearing so far is how much more difficult 10 is making everything. So. Pros/Cons? Is it worth the jump?

Don't care, bought it anyways! I don't console game anymore, so I'll toss down the 40 bucks and call it my gaming allotment for the month. ^_^

http://store.steampowered.com/app/224060/

Deadpool game, back on Steam. If I disappear for a week or two, people with my Steam name know where to find me!

I think next time I'll just add the /rhetorical to the end of my comment. Having been in both the HM and TR changeling spheres, I'm well aware of the less-than-selfless motives people have for taking a leadership position. >.>

I still don't get WHY people want the position so much. Its mostly a lot of call center bullshit and endless goddamn meetings and scheduling of shit.

Welcome!

@VulgarKitten said:

People who chew gum with their mouth open.
Related: How do I politely ask a person to stop chewing gum with their mouth open?

Chewing ANYTHING with an open mouth is horrifying. shudders

Oh! Yeah, its built by the same pair from TR, to be the same basic concept, far as I can tell. They wanted a new environment, can't say that I blame them.