Posts made by Miss Demeanor

Ditto. Except replace HEB with Publix. No HEB here.

One of my cats had a dental appointment yesterday. Poor kitty had three teeth pulled, including both top canines. He was loopy all day yesterday after coming home. And now the other cat refuses to acknowledge him as the same cat. She hisses and growls at him anytime he comes within ten feet. Not a HUGE deal... except at 2am when I'm trying to sleep. >.>

And yes, I do like that it looks to be designed to work with the other splats rather than having that 'ewwwww, you're a filthy unnatural vampire, why would I talk to YOU' thing.

@Arkandel I like the idea of the Families, that they're taking from mythology rather than the animal world, I like the creep factor.

@Misadventure I could, but that would require me having a game. Which I do not now, nor ever will, have. ^_^ I wouldn't mind running one someday, but I do not have the skills or patience to build one.

Dammit! I thought I was safe. I thought I'd escaped from GMC. Neither Vampire nor Werewolf interested me in the least... but then they made this. And this looks AMAZING.

SIGH I almost got away...

Changing Breeds Flaw #2: ALL THE GODDAMN SPECIES IN THE WORLD OKAY FOR PLAY. Fuck you, White Wolf.

I recommend Dunkin' Donuts. They make a surprisingly good cup of coffee.

I feel the need to address something, because I feel you're placing more importance on this than anyone that did the writing or editing for the books did.

The order in which themes are enumerated in the book does not always equate to the level of importance the writers place on those themes. It's just as likely that the people who wrote the book simply put them in the order that the themes were suggested and agreed upon. Or some other completely random reason. Numerical order does not equate to importance.

@crusader You may actually want to take a step back, man. You're starting to sound pretty frothy over the whole thing... and you're kind of making an ass of yourself in the process. @Sunny's original post was mildly inflammatory at best, and her responses have been pretty mild as well. You're the one that's getting all up in arms and making deragatory or caustic remarks regarding her interests or herself.

Frankly? I don't give a hoot about Dalu and Urshul. I also don't care for WoD Werewolf on the whole. Hate the Renown stuff. Pain in the ASS that is. I don't have any issues with Harmony checks, no more than I do Morality or Humanity or Clarity checks. If I do bad things with a character, I expect there to be consequences.

And I think the things you're trying to remove are core precepts to World of Darkness Werewolf, not necessarily werewolf as a whole, but that particular corner of it? Yes.

You're correct. It was meant to be 'not WoD Werewolf'. I just get lazy sometimes. >.>

Basically... what @HelloRaptor said.

I have zero issues with your proposed changes for whatever games you're running in TT Land. But its not WoD. That's what your group wants, then run with it. But the things you want to remove from the game are what make it a WoD game. Tribes, Auspices, Shadow, Loci, actual raising and lowering of Primal Urge and Harmony... those are all the core precepts of WoD Werewolf.

Also... because I Am Nerd... the movies you're thinking of? 'Alaska vampire' movie is 30 Days of Night. James WOODS and Daniel Baldwin were in John Carpenter's Vampires.

@crusader Typical vampire horror has zero politics, generally has no competing factions of vampires, rarely has Clans at all... I can go on. Its more about the angst over or reveling in BEING a vampire, generally speaking. There's been some obvious exceptions. I still think Underworld drew from WoD.

If you proposed to take away all the things of WoD Vampire that you propose to take away from WoD Werewolf? I would have zero interest in that game. Dracula's story was never overly interesting to me. Nor was Twilight's angsty teens. I enjoy those aspects that make the game unique, instead of just Vampire/Werewolf game #3729.

To me, it does seem like you want a more American Werewolf in London game than a WoD Werewolf game. Everything you've taken out or changed is specific to the WoD Werewolf. Everything that's left can be found in any other Werewolf trope anywhere. I do like the part about the Gifts, I've had concepts fall apart because I couldn't take Gifts from specific trees... but in the overall that seems relatively minor compared to the sweeping changes you're suggesting.

Mind, I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong. Play to suit the game your players want. But with all those changes, you're no longer playing WoD Werewolf, be it Classic, New, or 2.0. You're playing a general Werewolf themed game that could be plucked from nearly any horror movie.

Hence the Moral I tagged onto the end. I don't think +vote is bad. I just don't think it's any better than any of the other systems out there. It's just as susceptible to abuse as anything else, and in some documented cases, ended up working out worse than some others. In other instances, it might be the better option. Much of it depends on your playerbase, TBH.

@Bobotron They did that on HM. Or rather, tried that on HM. You know what happened? Widened the gap between the 'dinosaurs' and the 'newbs'. Caused endless amounts of problems that eventually led them to the next thing they went to... which I think was the pose-based xp generation system?

Moral: +vote is no better or worse than any other system. It has its ups and downs just like every other system of xp out there.

The vote system fell prey to the same issues that you're calling out beats/conditions, weekly xp, +reccs, and prp quality on, though. Not just one or two even, but all three. Circle jerks of people that would host large events where the vast majority showed up only to +vote the room every time a new person stepped in, smaller cliques that would +vote their circles for every little meet up or ts scene, A highly exploitable system that ended up being exploited by everyone but those who -didn't- go to the huge social scenes of everyone standing around sipping a drink and commenting on so and so's outfit/hair/beliefs/politics/etc.

I use +watch constantly. Its the best way, to me, to check and see if someone I'm either trying to schedule a scene with, or have a scene scheduled with, is online and active.

@Arkandel True. But you're just as capable of making those mundane events fun as the ST is. Just because they didn't PLAN something big or special for them doesn't mean you can't use it as a platform for some fun of your own. Hell, I do that with almost every Vampire event I've signed up for in the past three months! Boring Praxis meeting? Add 1 pissed off Bruja with authority issues. Shake. Serve!

In other words, you can either go 'so, uh, I had pizza last night' OR you can go 'so, uh, I had pizza last night... and then I started plotting Jim's social ruination by spreading a few well-placed rumors about him to Carol and Jane, and I let Tom know just what Jim thinks of his political views'. Hell, you could even just start a food fight if you're that bored. One thing TR taught me? Be your own fun, don't expect anyone to hand it to you. If an event isn't worthy of a Beat, in your estimation, make it so!

Ah, but awarding for participation favors everyone. Not just the uberactive. Sure, the people who show up to EVERY EVENT EVER are going to get more xp. That's... just a fact. But if you have someone with a limited amount of time to RP, are they more likely to sign up for the 4-5 hour dangerous combat scene or the party event where they can grab an extra Beat for just hanging out and socializing for an hour or two? If you stop rewarding for those mundane social events, then you're DEFINITELY going to see more of the HM deal where people felt they could never possibly compete with the 900+ xp dinos.