You know, I know what you mean; I have never once asked for payment for coding for this hobby, and only once have I accepted payment for it.
I still have some of that Amazon gift card, @skew. My everlasting thanks.
You know, I know what you mean; I have never once asked for payment for coding for this hobby, and only once have I accepted payment for it.
I still have some of that Amazon gift card, @skew. My everlasting thanks.
@ganymede said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
There's only one standard that matters between the relevant parties.
And this is how the person with either the more experience or the better bullshitter wins, and why I enter negotiations like this knowing that I am neither, and that finding someone to be my advocate means I'm entering negotiations like this.
@ganymede said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
@thenomain said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
The real point is, "how do we know what's a reasonable price"?
There's lots of ways to determine this.
And that's one reason why I treat everyone who sets the cost with some suspicion.
In the tech field, that statement looks like this:
Not to pull a Surreality, but:
@thenomain said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
That's fair.
Genuinely thank you for the education, but way to undermine my point to make another.
Which is, you know, pretty typical around here, and by "around here" I mean this thread when people dogpiled on Insomnia for saying that she's broke in a way that they didn't like. Not saying I'm being dogpiled, but I am rolling my eyes at being attached to your post in a way that I didn't like for saying something in a way that you didn't like.
This wouldn't be the first time the medical industry got everything wrong (c.f., not even looking into weight as an issue). Hell, it's fairly recent, probably within most of our lifetimes, that the medical field in America didn't even explore a difference between the medical makeup of men vs. women. When I heard that they were starting to I couldn't think of anything to say for a few dozen seconds, because the idea that the level of detail our medicine goes in didn't consider the difference until the 90s blew my fucking mind.
@ganymede said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
My point was that patients hardly ever question their doctors when it comes to the reasonableness of price, whereas they are more than happy to give their lawyers and artisans the nth degree about it, as if they have a greater understanding as to how the costs of legal or artistic work are calculated.
Do we know how the costs of legal or artistic work are calculated? This is why of every field, I have a prejudice against the business field. The amount of control over things they have little knowledge over baffles my already dizzy brain. They have--rather, should have--a solid foundation as to why things are, but every day I'm pretty much told to make them look good.
I know that is a tangential, almost nonsequiter rant, and I really don't have any animosity against business majors. Except those who make promises in my field that I need to keep.
The real point is, "how do we know what's a reasonable price"?
@kanye-qwest said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
@thenomain said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
And yet doctors are shy telling them that their problems come from, e.g., being overweight because they're afraid to lose the business.
the hell they are. Doctors notoriously blame any and everything on weight. Particularly weight in women.
We know a different set of doctors, then. That's fair. Doctors are still living in a world where there's economic pressure from both above and below that's trying to undermine their expertise (or in the case of your doctors, maybe not?), just like everybody else. The point to Ganymede was that doctors are not exempt from their customers or ignorant business-major overlords pushing them around.
No offense to business majors on the whole, but there's a point where the economics of running a business should take a back seat to the stated goal of running that business. You absolutely need both, but I could write a whole post about how people's expertise blinds them to the necessity of any other part of it.
@ganymede said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
And yet people aren't shy at all about heading to their doctors.
And yet doctors are shy telling them that their problems come from, e.g., being overweight because they're afraid to lose the business.
And yet doctors get pushed around by their customers all the time because of something seen on TV, on the internet, or worst of all because this can't possibly be true. And the doctors' bosses, administrators, and others tell the doctors not to rock the boat.
So yes, absolutely, people want experts but don't want to be told that they're wrong even by experts.
I mean, let's talk for a minute about climate change....
This is why customers come to you, and also why customers don’t trust you. They know that you know more than they do, so they suspect and believe that you can and therefore will pull one over on them.
Also, your particular customers are a bit stressed along with their ignorance.
Also also, people in general are ignorant and stupid, so.
I agree.
That boilerplate there, I like players who can play off all types, the social and the anti social. It comes down to anyone playing alongside someone else to try and feed and therefore continue the RP, but dear god there are limits.
For example, if you feel that you’ve given a reasonable try to be inclusive, you almost certainly have.
That is to say, I agree.
I will put the generalized groups of Indians and some Africans (I have yet to work out which region) as far worse than Americans in trying to defraud you one on one, though I don’t have the studies to back this up, just face to face. There is a lot of smiling and laughing with the Indians, but the moment I can get through this particular trope of person that I mean it when I say “I don’t haggle”. I know that it’s cultural, and I have run into European Americans that do this oh yes, but it’s still common enough that I have to regularly reset my expectations.
“Resetting negative expectations” is one of the more valuable skills I have learned.
@sg said in Random links:
@tinuviel said in Random links:
The term cracker meant poor white people in Virginia
I always thought it referred to slave owners cracking the whip.
According to Wikipedia, you're both (kind of) wrong.
Not that I'm taking Wikipedia as the definitive answer, but I rank it somewhat higher than "something someone said on the internet". Wikipedia is more, "something someone said on the internet, but showed their work".
I don’t mind the Agent of Chaos trope, but like the Fishmalk, it is overdone to the point of pointlessness. All things in moderation, but the moderation of the Chaotic Neutral type is one. Per game. In a five year time period.
All the character types I dislike are those whose players do not allow for flexibility in game play. Self-awareness is a very good way to avoid this.
Then only the English are "crackers"? Or it's okay to call them crackers because they weren't so likely to beat you up and sodomize your ass so much as look at you.
I'm really sorry, my understanding of racist slang has been off-kilter for over a decade, ever since I realized just how much divisive language that our US Politics uses just to try to get us to hate.
That's just why I personally don't see the joke.
@tinuviel said in Random links:
@thenomain Those were Vikings. Do you want to call a Viking a cracker?
I don't want to call anyone a cracker, but if you're going to call pillaging and raping Conquistadors "crackers" then why back out now?
@tinuviel said in Random links:
@ganymede said in Random links:
Just tell me when the crackers arrive.
They arrived in 1607.
Some studies suggest closer to 1000 AD.
@ganymede said in Random links:
In case anyone wonders why I suddenly disappear in a few months.
GODDAMMIT I CANT AFFORD A PLAYSTATION YET fucking hell grr.
Hi. My name is Thenomain and I’m a tweed robot coding in an outdated, outmoded, word salad of a coding language.
@sunny said in Hey you motherfuckers.:
@peverel Peeking in is good. I'm just glad you're still breathing air. If you happen to do so while checking in here, double bonus.
Additional Advice, tho: Breathe in through your mouth. We've put Glade scented candles around the place but, well, you know.
I am waiting for the Last Of Us 2 bundle. Which means I'm waiting for Last Of Us 2. Really, it's an excuse so that I don't go, "Hey, I just bought a new phone AND it's a Steam Sale AND Christmas AND oh hey let me just buy a new console and maybe something larger than a 24" display to play it on."
When I say "excuse" I mean "something to stop myself from binge-spending". I'm told this is a key sign of depression. It's been hard not to binge-spend recently, let me tell ya.
@peverel said in Hey you motherfuckers.:
@Thenomain, that's generous: my insanity was just manageable. We were a good team, though. Is @Whirlwind still around? Is @Lolth? I haven't talked to any of you since the Great Database Panic of 2014-or-whenever-that-was.
Lolth is living her Norwegian life of Fish and Snow or whatever it is those depressed northerners get up to about the third of a year the sun barely touches the sky. Though I understand the times where the sun never sets is also upsetting. I feel fortunate for being around the Midwestern Latitudes where the worst we get is too much gray sky and freezing rain.
Whirl around on Facebook. His hat gets more action than I do, too. Sheesh.