Posts made by Thenomain
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
... What?
I ... what?!
I don't even begin to understand your logic. Can you please elaborate?
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
@bored said in Regarding administration on MSB:
Are we not allowed to criticize?
Am I not allowed to criticize the criticism? I don't think "I think this topic is stupid" should be mistaken for "you aren't allowed to have opinions". I'm making my case. You're making yours.
How many 'and most of the time I moderate it just makes things worse' does a mod get
You're going to have to be clearer on how her recent post made anything worse. I sure as hell don't see that she was:
modding for the fun of it
Maybe the 'Not Mod Voice', but I didn't see that. Maybe it was in the Hog Pit. The thought of it was kind of funny to me, but I don't know the exact context.
and instead save it for really critical problems
You mean like people thinking about pulling an attack on a game using Soapbox as its base?
Then yes, we agree.
I would have preferred if she waited for it to be an actual thing, but as far as mistakes go the worst I see is that she was blind to how others might react to it without having her knowledge.
Which has been prevalent in this thread by others who have been criticizing tone, which comes largely from their own view on things without explaining where their view comes from and expecting others to just agree with them.
Or as @wolfs says, endless back and forth.
It's easy to say someone is tone-deaf. It's much harder to prove it. The best we can do is try and discover what each other means by it and hopefully come to an understanding about it. If people don't want to come to an understanding then while I personally believe that they should stay out of the discussion, things can still be learned by those willing to try.
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RE: Period Piece Face vs Modern Face
I dunno, I'm having fun. You're the one who said I was wrong, which isn't fun, no.
I can totally see Jensen Ackles's face in the role of one of the people trying to settle America. The surname 'Ackles' comes from around Manchester and he can cast into that look, just not too "British". (I don't know why I imagine he's okay for a British settler, but there you go.) I think he has a more Germanic (and distinctly NORTH Germanic) look, but besides a stand-in as a man holding a halberd I can't imagine him actually playing these roles.
I did think about this before answering. Did some Googling. I have no idea what a "modern face" is supposed to be, nor a "period face", but did try my best.
edit: Well, I did try.
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RE: Period Piece Face vs Modern Face
@kanye-qwest said in Period Piece Face vs Modern Face:
@thenomain A. you're wrong
"No You" already? You're slipping.
B. Jason Momoa is a hard one.
Shave his dreads. Any (edit: West) African period piece. Seriously, you're not very good at this.
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RE: Period Piece Face vs Modern Face
@kanye-qwest said in Period Piece Face vs Modern Face:
oh my god, people. This is not that complicated.
Picture Jensen Ackles
Germanic or even Puritan. Done. Easy. Give us a hard one.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
I'm getting more than a hint of "Auspice should have talked with the adults before posting anything" vibe, too, but being able to Twitter summarize earns you a pony.
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RE: Period Piece Face vs Modern Face
@ganymede said in Period Piece Face vs Modern Face:
I also have no idea what is being discussed.
Apparently whatever a 'modern face' is. @WildBaboons has a good idea, but I don't see whatever it is other people are seeing.
I thought it was people getting it wrong (e.g., the 'Stop It'), but there are so many things that you could say people get wrong about the relation of their PB to their character that the modernity of their face is not on my list at all. I'm more likely to react to the modernity of their haircut. As much as I get weak-kneed at the librarian look or short hair on women or, mm, the undercut, it doesn't fit all eras.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
@mietze said in Regarding administration on MSB:
And to clarify, I would not really have considered WORA to have administration at all (though I know there were keyholders.)
On MSB people have been banned for threatening and gross PMs and posts, admin have stepped in from time to time (but not really participated to the same degree personally).
On Wora, people were banned for spamming and doxing. Really, those were the only things people were banned for, though Bane was locked into his own thread because it was easier than playing ban-a-mole with him. Everything else was just moved to a more appropriate area, usually with a note.
Wora was administered, but it also didn't try to be a discussion forum like MSB is trying to be.
MSB was originally opened as a place for people to go because there was nowhere else. From the way I understand it, it hasn't been until recently where anyone's tried to heavily administrate MSB, but I think it's worthwhile to support the experiment. Not blindly, no, but with care and understanding.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
That was a mistake, but I don't think it's what people in the thread were reacting to. After reading this thread I went to that thread to see what was going on and kind of rolled my eyes at the post (sorry Auspice; I know you intended to do well), then read the responses and my mind started filtering them together and the first thing that came to mind was Sayre's Law:
In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake. That is why academic politics are so bitter.
I think that we, Mushers as a collective, want to create and push for our ability to gain agency, and some of us, especially those of us who have played WoD games forever, when anyone has even the slightest whiff of their agency being taken away, and that appearance of reduced agency is what I saw people reacting to.
Anyhow, that's what I saw, and that's mostly what I'm reacting to. That and the "sometimes people are not consistent" part, which shouldn't surprise me in the least but I still think it's worth noting when it happens.
As said earlier, you're not on that list, so #notallsaosmash.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
@meg said in Regarding administration on MSB:
@thenomain I will be moonwalking away again, and returning to deal with all of the shit I have to do offline, not considering /anything/ at all.
And like any voluntary part of our life, leaving and coming back as the rest of our life dictates is a good thing.
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@saosmash said in Regarding administration on MSB:
@thenomain there's a difference between thinking that a staffer has made a mistake (or multiple mistakes) and finding them untrustworthy or unethical. Is that really the question here?
Reading the thread in one go, I have a problem finding any real question. The only one I see consistently is "Should Auspice Be Admin", and I again posit the parallels between doing that on game and doing that on Soapbox, that should someone openly challenge admin's choices on a game they would be asked--sometimes quite unpolitely, sometimes mocked--to either stop it or leave.
The only mistake I find @Auspice making was telling people not to do something before anyone did so. The mistake created a cock-up cascade of people taking what to me was unreasonable offense to the warning because that warning came without any context, and even here people assume that a staffer is going to abuse their power if they don't completely trust them.
Staffing is hard. Quelle surprise.
So while some people say "this was a mistake" others are exposing those mistakes in detail and some others are questioning her status as Admin. Regardless of this range, staff here is being far more open than any game or other forum would have the patience to be.
We are lucky to have here.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
Addendum: Imagine this conversation happening about the staff of a game on that game. Consider that for a moment.
Consider the response we've been seeing lately, "I wouldn't play on a game where I didn't trust the staff."
Consider the people who are still here in spite of their opinion of staff.
I'll be kicking around in my head whether or not this is a dichotomy or the situations are different enough that the people who say the former but doing the latter are pushing the bounds of their own morality. Or whether or not the ability to come to a freer commons and insult the administration of it is why Wora/Soapbox is important for the community.
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RE: Regarding administration on MSB
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Court of Popular Opinion. It's not always right but by god it's always loud.
We should be so lucky that the mods on a forum allow us to even have this discussion. This is not only what makes us popular, but it's what makes us Wora.
That is all.
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RE: MU Things I Love
Finding the right balance of buzzed to effective coding is hard.
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RE: skew's Playlist
Why?
Why would anyone do that?
It's like willingly going to work dressed up like Cher.
#letdogsbedogs
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RE: RL Anger
Update: I need input from a project leader, but they're off having dinner or a life or something. Why isn't everyone going about their life by my schedule? Additionally, how in the world is it that I'm Eastern Timezone, but yet I can't manage to get my schedule synced with the rest of everyone I know?
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RE: RL Anger
RL Peeve: I pull off the impossible and nobody is around to appreciate it.
Okay, so it was just a moderately complex SQL query, but it's still damn impressive. I'm running it over and over in different ways to amuse myself.
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RE: Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...
@thatguythere said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
@thenomain said in Looking for an Artist, actually willing to pay...:
No offense to business majors on the whole, but there's a point where the economics of running a business should take a back seat to the stated goal of running that business.
While I agree with this sentiment 100% and was partially a business major. (I had a double major, double minor, half of each set was business related) often times the real goal for the people running the business is the economic part.
You can't do a thing without business, but you can't business without that thing either. They should, in my Ignorant And Stupid world-view, be equal partners.
This discussion really happened yesterday:
- Main Office Guy: Hey, that was absolutely amazing wasn't it!
- Me: Yeah, for the customers and probably for the people who set it up, but for me it increased my stress and reduced my productivity.
- Main Office Guy: Oh...yeah, I guess you're right.
A business doesn't run without more than the economics, unless the business is economics. Many people in the middle don't care to see the big picture, and many people at the end of the line can't possibly see the big picture. Sure, we all want to make money, but we make money by (doing thing). If you don't care about (doing thing), I don't think you deserve to make money.
However, at the higher levels most businesses just deal with other businesses, and what is true and right and proper is decided on a handshake between two people who want to make more money. Hell, I have deep suspicions that the people who make the most money do anything more than have the money and make the rules.
I'm the first to admit that I'm ignorant about it, and that my peeve is just a peeve.
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