I don't know how you get to that. "Advanced Trig" is waaaaay more popular in a syllabus than "Trigonometry Advanced". It's a pedantic little distinction, but as someone pointed out to me, this is causing me some Coder Angst so getting it absolutely right the first time makes me inspect things beyond casual observation.
So I think this comes down to: "Advanced Direction Sense" or "Direction Sense Advanced"?
The proponents for the latter have made the strongest case so far: "Library Advanced" is preferred to "Advanced Library" because your merits output on your sheet alphabetically, and I'd rather have "Library Advanced" show up in line with my other Library merit.
Sure, I can write the chargen code to manually re-order, but it's also the closest to the way the book has it.
I still think the book is wrong.
@skew said:
Can your code take commas?
No.
Not unless I go to an all-database (SQL) system, which you have no idea how much that would please me, but I'm more concerned about people being able to install my code.
However, there is no difference between "Direction Sense Advanced" and "Direction Sense, Advanced". Both would require you to type out the entirety of 'Direction Sense' first. I suppose I could make a text search engine that wildcards each word, so 'Dir Se A' would work, but I'm already pushing the limits of @Chime's server adjustments as it is.
That said, I think adding "Merit, Advanced" makes more sense than making it a style, especially when you're considering tags and keeping a code accessible to all games (which might not include Beast).
Putting prerequisites per level of a Style is difficult but not impossible. It may not classify properly as a "Style", however. However however, I kind of snerk at the idea that Onyx Path has a clear classification for what makes a Style.
The code would see that as a merit called 'Advanced'. Other code, not to mention players, would have to do mental gymnastics to invert it back to what it really means. It breaks the language established by existing interface.
edit: Several of these can be expanded onto the core merit. Direction Sense (•, •••, •••••), with the last two levels being beast-only, and then mark it as a 'style'. I don't know if Onyx Path has designs for Advanced/Epic, and I'd rather keep it as close to the source material as possible, because things like that happens, but they're not making it easy.
Library (Advanced) doesn't work as an add-on style, for which I think 'Advanced Library' would be fine.
Hello, Thenomain as Coder here, with some questions for the lot of you, looking for constructive input.
Someone asked me to look into CofD System'ing Beast: The Primoridal. Well, they introduce a new kind of merit: Advanced and Epic. 'Library (Advanced)', for example.
I have a problem. My code system gives '(...)' a very specific meaning. Library can be taken multiple times, once per mental skill, so you can have 'Library (Science)' and 'Library (Occult)'. I can't do 'Library (Advanced)' without twisting the baseline code inside-out.
"So Theno," says the straw-man you who I use as a sounding wall, "why not just make the merit 'Library Advanced'." Because, Mildly Constructive Soapbox Sock-Puppet, the system has no real way to know the difference between 'Library' and 'Library Advanced' unless you type out at least that last 'A'. e.g., 'stat/set Library A=2'.
"That's not too bad", you say. Yes, I reply, but there's also Iron Skin (Advanced), and Fast Reflexes (Advanced) and both Direction Sense (Advanced) and Direction Sense (Epic).
The same thing works in reverse. 'Epic Direction Sense' would need to be entered as at least 'Epic D' for the system to see it as unique.
Thoughts?
@Arkandel said:
Father Time has yet to be defeated. All great players retire (*) and make a lot of people sad.
Except for when Jordan came back, and that made a lot of people sad.
@Misadventure said:
I've never seen the term Fanboi in use in a way to give me a true sense of it's meaning, so I can't say for sure.
Fanboi is normally given an insulting connotation, as someone who is brand-loyal in spite of evidence. (As an Apple fan, I'm sometimes given this label by Apple Haters or OS War Trolls.)
@Arkandel, I'm going to agree more with Mis, here. A geek is more outspoken and closer to fanboi on the spectrum, though I'm finding about a 50/50 split on Google's results about this.
In the case of most sports, I am a casual fan at best. For instance, I heard someone in basketball retired and a lot of people were sad.
edit: Nerds.
I haven't tried it for a while, but it was kinda cool when I did.
@Misadventure said:
Make a spectacle of your love for something: Geek.
So what's the difference between a Fanboi and a Geek?
@Misadventure said:
OMG sports nerds.
My personal life theory is that everything has its 'nerds'. People who play Fantasy Football, for example, are Football Nerds. Movie Star Nerds. Politics Nerds. My god, it's full of Nerds.
@Tyche said:
"Because odds are 99% certain that those guys on the street who I avoided would have been awesome to talk to. I realize that letting the actions of a few hateful people influence my behavior is the absolutely worst thing I could do in life. And not an example I want to set, ever."
Felicia and I do agree on this ... I AM NOT THE PROBLEM
Does anyone see the difference?
Me, a hundred years ago.
I don't know what else you're saying, because a lot of this thread has become communications spaghetti and disconnected responses, but this is Felicia Day saying, "I was judging before knowing." On the one hand, it's hard to overcome abuse. On the other hand, she overcame abuse. A++. Will swoon over her again.
Do not let anyone think that I am saying anything but: Trust is a two-way street. To be trusted you must be trustworthy. To trust, you must give people a chance. If either side doesn't do their part, then it's not going to happen.
I am guessing, from @Sunny's response, that he doesn't think that @Tyche believes in one side of this or the other.
On the other hand, emotional issues are emotional. 'Nuf said.
@deadculture said:
You're angry about the mistreatment of [insert grievance du jour here]? Talk about it, make your opinion known, don't buy the company's game if it offends your view, that's it.
Isn't that what this is really about? (No, it's not about gaming in journalism. In before the cliché as joke. Ha ha. Moving on.)
Which side? The self-proclaimed SJWs or the self-proclaimed GamerGate?
@Ganymede said:
That said, telling people that you will go away at their request but that you will never stop trying to understand their injustice is a kind way of telling them that they need to re-think their position.
+1. Thanks.
@Ganymede said:
- In context, white men are the class of persons with the greatest power to change the situation so as to minimize the incidences.
You know, as a white man, I've been told off for involving myself in some other demographics' problems because I was a white man, even if what I was trying to do was understand and/or help, more times than I'm comfortable with.
I'm not shaming anyone, here, but if someone offers to find understanding then telling them to GTFO is not the solution.
This may not be directly related to the conversation at hand, but it is a peeve of mine. It's a little harder that I feel like I'm being discriminated against because of my social class and skin color, which makes the thing ironic, which pisses me off even more because I think, this must be the normal position of the people who I'm trying to understand, so I understand why they don't trust me, but they should trust me because I'm treating them like a fucking human being and arrrrrgh!
Ahhem.
Sorry, carry on.
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edit: It's okay to tell someone to GTFO because it hits too close to home and you're not emotionally prepared to talk to someone about what's wrong with "them" (quotes to indicate the label, not the person), but these people should still recognize that an individual was reaching out to potentially help. Trust doesn't always come easy, but until I become a senator for the state of Ohio, I'm going to be pretty limited as to what I can do. Trust and Understanding go hand in hand.
@Roz said:
@Thenomain It's not a journalistic piece, though. It's someone's personal blog speaking about their personal experience.
It's written to evoke a reaction, whether or not this was deliberate. At that goal, it's not very good, and to me it reads as trying too hard. For that, I can see people reading it as disingenuous, and the trolls and haters will grab onto that and throttle it, also to evoke a reaction.
@Tyche said:
@Misadventure said:
http://latining.tumblr.com/post/141567276944/tabletop-gaming-has-a-white-male-terrorism-problem
Comments?
After reading that... I smell large amounts of bullshit.
At least she needs to learn to write a good journalistic piece. I don't doubt some or all of it is true, but it's generally not engaging. Too much scare tactic, but if someone is already scared I would understand the tone being off.