@BetterJudgment said:
I don't live in fucking Alaska or fucking Antarctica, and it is fucking snowing so hard that it is almost a fucking blizzard. It is May, and it is fucking snowing. Fuck.
It's snowing here, too, only instead of snow it's white, fluffy plant bits.
I am on the fence on it, but I think it's okay if staff wants to hide things behind tags that they also believe are NSFW. It's enough of a trust issue that keeps me on the fence, but we are not afraid to call out nonsense staff decisions.
On the other side of that fence, if swears and boobies are not okay for your wrk, you probably should be aware of the kinds of places you are going.
Video games where you can get through it easily enough until the very final, end-game situation.
I'm looking at you, Pillars of Eternity, for making me go to "easy" for one fight, but you're far from the only one.
@Misadventure said:
How easy is it to support the necessary punctuation etc?
Mac: Atlantis.
PC: Potato
Everywhere: TinyFugue
Yes.
We would not be opening otherwise. We already pushed back launch twice, once publicly. Totem and Cover Aspirations are the only things that I wish I had finished, and we will be relying more heavily on the notes system than I wanted.
Google has run less stable code as "beta", so we'll be fine.
@TNP said:
Connected or not would be nice. And if connected, idle time.
That's for the advanced version. I wanted to have a version for our open (Saturday).
Truly, I want finger and who to be using the same base code anyway, but this will do.
The optimal finger output:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::. Finger: Thenomain (#7) .::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Alias: <none>
Location: Player Nexus
Approval Status: Staff
..: Main :....................................................................
Wiki Page: http://eldritch.mechanipus.com/w/index.php/User:Thenomain
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Enjoy.
@Derp said:
TL;DR - +1 @thenomain -- why are we stuck with this model?
Because it's easy, and it tends to be a more adult form of patience to give up cookies, especially if it's in a Pretendy Fun-Time Game
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I should lightly clarify. I don't deeply care what people think the God-Machine is as long as it isn't killing chances for RP or wildly off what the core book says (not because I'm married to any of the WoD books, but because this is the common ground for all of us).
I think it is not a philosophy, a bureaucracy, anything grounded in belief. It uses these as tools, but at its core I see the God-Machine as a machine, a thing. After that it can be a gigantic interstellar AI or a planet-sized spirit that is integrated or fused to the Command Installations. I prefer the Iteration-X/60s Technophobia view for reasons already stated: Mysteries all the way down.
I do prefer that it not be responsible for the modern monotheistic religions that feature angels and demons, but for reasons that my Atheist ass cannot immediately explain, probably having to do with free will.
@JaySherman said:
@Thenomain: I've tried to involve my players in game creation from the start, but most of the time they just kind of pull a Patrick and Spongebob, "Daaaah, whadda you wanna do? I dunno, whadda YOU wanna do?" routine.
That's fine. Mark these people as 'here for the new hotness'.
Jay,
Involve players in game creation. You don't have out up polls or anything, but chat with them as you're working,Mao cool and neat at their ideas,mask for input if you feel it's right. Give excited people a reason to be excited.
I decide to code instead of read, because reading is hard.
@Coin said:
No, they didn't. It's still in the same place it was, in both versions. Page 21, "Shadows and Dust" sidebar.
I haven't kept both versions, but does the later one at least go from "this is so" to "well here's an idea but it's totes about you don't let us get in the way of your fun" wishy-washy nonsense?
My imagined example still stands, as I've described a more boring universe, even if it was of my own creation.
@Ganymede said:
@Thenomain said:
Except that it's literally a machine.
Is it? What's a machine? Is it the bits and pieces, or the absence of consciousness?
It's the bits and pieces, interconnected and able (usually committed) in working together.
What is Ultron?
Is that the Autobot leader? A robot then, I guess.
The best plot devices are the ones that end up with questions for which there are no answers.
The first printing of Geist had a very clear side- (bottom-) bar that said, "A Geist is a spirit that slipped into the lowest parts of the Underworld." This was a beautiful answer for me because it addresses just enough to provide a guideline but at the same time raise a thousand more questions, but they took it out of a later revision.
I find that having no answers at all is dull and uninspired and therefore uninspiring. Them removing "what is a Geist" to be not far afield from not answering "what is a Dwarf". Who cares here's some stats now stop bothering me kid? Or by answering by saying that "King" in Dwarf is the same as "Mine Supervisor" open up a thousand new possibilities?
I think I know what you're getting at here, but I wouldn't agree that unanswered plot devices are best, nor that saying the God-Machine is "literally a machine" spoils, well, anything, especially when you don't think any less of Ultron because of it.
I heard from a guy who knew a guy that they canned Firefly because someone wanted to have John Doe. It requires some manual dexterity with Occams Razer, but I can believe this a bit more than it failed internal metrics. Did you SEE John Doe?
@HelloRaptor said:
Except that it's literally a machine.
In reading her comment back over I'd guess she means that if she had her way she'd strip the 'it is literally a machine' from it? Maybe.
You've got to stop flipping between super-literal and being forgiving of context. But yes, I agree. I was offering a gentle tweaking that she is basically re-writing the idea.
I didn't expect God-Machine to be this polarizing, tho, as I think it's the best thing to happen to World of Darkness since Mark Rein-Hagen left. It's a convenient plot device without being a crutch or a hammer, it's a metaplot that is 100% ignorable at the table, it gently introduces people to the idea of The Other as a basis of horror.
I can understand not liking it, but there's a lot of 'rewrite it completely' going on that was momentarily surprising.
@Ganymede said:
The only reason that it is referred to as a "machine" is because it is inevitable
Except that it's literally a machine.
@Chime said:
@Cobaltasaurus said:
He will pretty much chat code even when you don't want! Or are unsuspecting of the code!
Can confirm! ...but it's actually rather nice. I can't always help, but often the sudden popup of zomg random code exuberance really helps make the day better.
Chime and I having code-sex (i.e., super-nerding about code) on The Reach was some of the best time I've had there.
I send her things like this:
Thenomain
You are, btw, solving issues that Chime's vtable() has taken into account. If you want to look at that code. Just sayin'.Melpomene
digs around on githubThenomain
Beware going mad.
It's a bit sad for me that Mel figured out the code much faster than I did.