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@Thenomain said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

When is customer service good?

In the context of being/working in customer service, there are occasions when you have truly exceptional customer interactions.

@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:

do you ever feel like TS doesn't fit the game

I don't work with children or animals. So if I'm playing (or playing with) either of those things, then TS is a big big big no. If I'm playing an adult person in any setting designed around its own internal logic (as in a form of 'realism') then TS isn't off the table, so long as I'm reasonably justified in believing all other participants are adults also playing adult persons.

@Ghost @Auspice These things actually happen, though. Not necessarily as formally as you're describing, but they do.

@Roz Thanks for reminding me that Transformers porn exists.

@Ghost I snorted. Which scared my dog.

@Sunny I'm already in my room, of course. That's where all my stuff is.

When I was in the US I was told that it's apparently better to write a zero dollar tip receipt and just give your server, or whomever, cash. Due to taxes, or somesuch. Is there any truth to that idea?

@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

I'm already in my room, of course. That's where all my stuff is.

The problem is not that he is in his room; it's what he's doing in his room that's the problem.

Talking with you chucklefucks about typefucking.

@Auspice said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

the rest spill out over the top of the camisole.

@DareDaemon said in TS - Danger zone:

@Tinuviel

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@DareDaemon said in TS - Danger zone:

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@DareDaemon said in TS - Danger zone:

@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:

@DareDaemon said in TS - Danger zone:

And, presumably, the game doesn't explicitly prohibit TS. (I've encountered people who wouldn't let such a rule stop them.)

I absolutely don't let such a rule stop me.

If you don't like that a game prohibits TS, don't fucking play there. It's fucking gross to violate such a clear boundary.

Well, yeah. Did you not read the whole post?

You edited it while I was responding.

Yeah, well the page updates when posts are edited.
My overall point is still the same. Anti-TS policies are stupid and will always, always be violated. If I really, really want to do something (TS is not actually on that list, by the by, but it does illustrate my point) people are going to do it. And so long as it remains underground, people that engage in it and then have to deal with negative consequences from that don't have anyone to report it to.

TS is like prostitution in that way. Make whatever law you want about it, it's not going away only being driven underground. You can either be sensible, and treat your adult players as adults (naturally none of this applies if your game is catering to children) that want to and will do adult things, or you can be stupid about it and assume that because it's written down it's going to be obeyed and then make anyone that needs to report something too afraid of punishment from you to report it.

You don't have the right to tell staff that they have to adjudicate textfucking if people have some gripes about what happened during their textfucking. Insisting that as staff that's part of my job, is fucking disgusting.

Everyone has a right to opt out of anything to do with TS, and that includes staff. The only way for staff to opt out of that is to prohibit it.

If you want to take your characters textfucking, feel free to go to one of those places dedicated for textfucking.

Actually I'm insisting that as staff, part of your job is dealing with problems and players engaging in 'problematic' behaviour.

You stated above that your only TS experience has come through pressure. How would you feel if staff then insisted that you were at fault, because you were engaging in bad behaviour?

If you don't want to encounter people being fucking horrid to each other in any number of ways, don't staff. That's how you fucking opt out of that.

And since you don't seem to understand what the fuck the constructive section is about, let me lay something simple down for you with as much acid as I can muster at this hour of the morning.

If you are staffing, you are doing a job. I don't give a flying monkey's ass what your personal feelings are, if you can't handle the idea of someone approaching you as a figure of authority to explain that yes, they were doing something against the rules, and were pressured or coerced or otherwise mistreated into doing something they weren't comfortable with. If you are incapable of setting aside your own prejudices and biases long enough to deal with an abusive player? You're the failure. You're the asshole. And it's your behaviour that's fucking gross.

@Ganymede said in RL Anger:

@Aria said in RL Anger:

Notre Dame de Paris is burning.

I am literally in tears.

This is why it is unwise to have hot cauldrons of molten metal in the top balconies to rain upon invading guardsmen.

(Humor aside, really, this is awful.)

They used to use oil, but then they opened the Subway nearby and Italian bread is apparently popular for some reason.

@Sunny said in TS - Danger zone:

'because I say so' doesn't explain shit

It doesn't work on children, why would we expect it to work on relatively seasoned adults?

@Sparks said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@wahoo said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Yelp, I do not know how you got my personal phone number and I do not like it, do not call me, I hate you.

I'll see you Yelp and counter with the automated robocaller that has a computerized voice speaking Chinese.

That's just @Ganymede.

@bored said in TS - Danger zone:

You've mentioned 'I can do this and you can't stop me' stuff including out of band communication.

Uh, no? No, I haven't. I only said that I don't take No-TS policies into account in my decision making. Others brought up other venues, not I.

@bored said in TS - Danger zone:

Plus, again, games with kids. There's no other choice there, right?

We aren't talking about games with kids. I've already made it clear that games with kids don't exist to me in so far as TS is concerned. And arguably, "no ts because kids" isn't a policy it's a law.

I want to poke at some of your wording again, just for a moment. You repeatedly say "cheater" when talking about people that violate this hypothetical policy, and that's inaccurate. Cheaters break the rules to gain an unfair advantage, and that should always be discouraged and punished.

People that violate an innocuous policy, and are then too reticent to comment on abuses suffered because they will be punished are not cheaters.

My argument is, if it's an argument at all, that banning something doesn't eliminate it. It drives it underground where it can become dangerous to its participants. Yes, I agree, people should abide by policy. But even those that don't, without actually cheating (in terms of its actual definition), still deserve to feel safe enough to report it. If it goes unreported, who knows how many people are abused in the same fashion?

And yes, I understand that you don't want to spend your free time wading through the crap brought about by people you don't desire on your game in the first place. But when it comes to harrassment, it's not just a game anymore. MUers, people here in fact, have had their personal details accessed and leaked, in some cases their real lives invaded, due to the actions of abusers and harrassers. I'm glad that you take harrassment seriously, but I think you're seriously underestimating the potential impact of such harrassers and abusers when they know that their victims will be punished just like them if they're reported.

It's not logical, or sensible, to avoid a minor punishment and continue being abused. But people aren't logical or sensible, least of all when they're afraid. A clear TS policy is required, yes. But not a blanket ban. It hurts more than it helps.

Whatever it is needs to continue in the politics section, not here.

After some reflection, I think that yes admin and staff and whoever is in charge of a game should be... concerned about offsite activity that claims to represent their game. Private g-docs full of lurid smut? Whatever. A discord server with a bunch of people on it? That should probably be kept an eye on.

I am aware that outside of their particular game staff's powers are limited, however, their reputation is not. If one's initial exposure to a game is through a discord channel, I think it would behove staff to try their best to keep an eye on any unofficial ones (that they know about) that spring up.

Is it strictly speaking the staff's responsibility? No, no it is not. But strictly speaking, it is not my responsibility to ensure my students don't get into a brawl outside their homes with students from another school. However if they are in uniform, therefore publicly representing our school, I have to care about it because it affects our reputation.

@Auspice Overthink all the things!

@Coin There's a big difference between being upfront and painting it in neon colours on the door, though.

Real World Mild Annoyance of the Moment: Routers should respond appropriately to threats of physical harm.