@Arkandel said in The ethics of IC romance, TS, etc:
Even so I doubt staff in any game have ever felt entitled to do so because there's a clause buried in a help file or wiki page somewhere.
True. They feel entitled whenever they feel they need or want to.
@L-B-Heuschkel Unfortunately for any MUer to have anything approaching a "right" there must be an overarching authority-type structure that one can appeal to when those rights are violated. Some folks think MSB is it (or should be it) but we're just a bunch of grumpy adults grumpily adulting about grumpy stuff adutily.
The only thing we can really do is appeal to the "authority" that is the wider community and, through social pressure, enforce the privileges we want.
ETA: This wasn't an argument of your point, just a general statement to clarify my view.
Not sure if this counts as a peeve, and it's not RL in as much as it is... a here-based peeve.
If the post is over six months old, don't upvote it. It's creepy.
@Jeshin said in Privacy in gaming:
The real question is what is the standard community expectation of privacy. Only by establishing the norm can people be judged for deviating from it.
People are going to be judged for their implementation regardless as to how close or how deviant from the 'standard community expectation' is.
If you don't keep logs of anything at all, then you're not doing enough to protect your players. If you spy a little, then you're cherrypicking. If you spy on everything, you're a pervert or a creep.
@Arkandel said in Random links:
I suspect there might be some hyperbole involved in the article though.
Perhaps the goal, then, is not to establish some wide-ranging privacy policy, but to educate the masses on exactly what it is staff can do.
I dunno, man. If any of you invited me out for an all-expenses paid cruise, I would assume that I'd be murdered at some point...
@L-B-Heuschkel I don't think textfucking requires those descriptors, aren't they just generally assumed?
@Ganymede said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
except through sheer spite.
Isn't that how we're all still alive?
@Sunny said in Privacy in gaming:
I guess that would make me wary of staff reading my stuff as well, if I was up to no good.
My apologies if this wasn't intended to imply that the objection is because people were up to no good.
@Pandora That does seem to read in a vein of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
@Derp said in Privacy in gaming:
If someone is doing something grossly unthematic in a private space that doesn't actually make it onto the grid? Meh. Whatever gets your rocks off.
In this instance, if I were to hear of it as staff, I'd try to quash it as politely and quietly as possible. Generally such things... find their way out of their cage, and by then it could have inadvertently affected so much that changing course is more like trying to do a u-turn on a major highway in rush hour than a simple lane change.
I don't drive.
I am not qualified to teach this subject. Stop putting me in as a stop-gap when I have a free period. I am not qualified.
Another conversation worth having, jumping off of this point, would be what kinds of punishments are there? Is banning all we have?
@Auspice said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Prob not on a school district level
It's policy. Worked, briefly, at a tech helpdesk for our equivalent to a school district. It's basically the same as a corporate gig. You have a script, your calls are recorded, and teachers/administrators think they know everything so you have to follow the script so you're protected from their arrogance.
@mietze said in Privacy in gaming:
I wonder if the perception of "staff only ban or do nothing" is not more because of the perennial "if I dont see it it doesnt exist" than a reality of "either people just ban people or do nothing."
Well, those aren't the only options. It's more that people say "ban" when they mean "punish", especially on MSB.
A problem when it comes to any other kind of punitive measure is exactly as you've stated, bans are announced. We all know that optics are half of everything, so often if one doesn't appear to be doing anything then that's what people will assume.
So a little more detail in policy files as to exactly what your own options are might help. And communicating with complainants that disciplinary measures are being undertaken. The worst feeling in my experience is complaining about someone/something and then just being left to wonder if your complaint actually mattered. Sure, privacy matters, but it's something that has to be somewhat balanced against appearing effective.
@Auspice said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Okay, body? If I'm swallowing, it goes into the stomach not my airways. Okay? Okay. Good talk.
Here I'd have pegged you as a pro at swallowing.
Only in larger quantities.
