I'm back on Cyborg now and the skin bug seems fixed, but now the icons at the top of the page by the site title are more scrunched together so there's overlap where you see how many unread new posts there are.
I'm also noticing that after I finish reading a post and I go back to the unread section, it hasn't disappeared even when there have been no new posts to it.
This bug just hit me today and I was using Cyborg. I need a dark background to keep my eyes in better shape, so hopefully this can get fixed sooner rather than later.
@arkandel (What I meant by handling things yourself was more in regard to dealing with any controversy related to Auspice using MOD VOICE, just to be clear)
@mietze Yes, but the message a couple people are trying to send here is that Auspice fucked up and got another strike because someone simply dislikes moderation of any form beyond moving a few posts around to another sub-board in the background as needed.
People are used to zero moderation whatsoever and there's a bit of a push against it now that things are changing a little bit, perhaps as if they fear it's going to lead to further moderation and tighter rules when Arkandel himself has already made it pretty clear that's of no interest to him here. This sort of nitpicking over what Auspice did also shows little faith in Arkandel's ability to handle things himself, whether the people pointing the finger of blame here realize that or not.
I get that people want the freedom to say and do just about whatever they want here. The thing is, I don't see that suddenly being denied them. There are still some general standards of decency we should agree to in or out of the Hog Pit itself. "Don't go fuck with a game because you have a problem with someone, and don't use this place to try to set it up if you're not going to be deterred" is one most, if not all of us, seem to be in agreement on.
So why is reminding people of that such a problem, even if it's pro-active and based on something apparently said in private as a heads-up? It's like it's less about the reminder itself and more about the voice Auspice used to deliver it. Are we going to be THAT sensitive about it any time "MOD VOICE" comes up? Really?
The story would be completely different if Auspice went off on her own and openly threatened people with this or that if they didn't do as she demanded. That...did not happen. It didn't even come close to happening.
@bored Except this isn't really even an offense at all. She did nothing objectionable. She said "Don't harass games." She didn't say "Don't harass games or else." If you think that's what she said, that's what you're reading into it.
If you seriously consider this some sort of moderator offense, you need to re-evaluate a few things.
@bored By the way, I find this whole thing to be a ridiculously flimsy reason to accuse a moderator of fucking up over.
You disagree with a choice Auspice made. That does not equate to her fucking up.
@bored Well, I don't have an issue with someone telling people not to fuck with a game. Whether that comes from someone speaking as a regular poster or as a mod, it doesn't matter to me.
I maintain that there are more important things to get one's panties in a bunch over.
@bored Problematic to you, maybe, because you seem to be putting any stock in the idea that Auspice saying what she did, the way she did, equates to 'MSB admins have to keep their braying hyenas of a community in check' and/or 'MSB admins are posting transparent spin to hide how shitty their posters are.'
Ultimately, what Auspice and Ganymede do here is up to what Arkandel asks of them. Moving some threads is fine with me if they veer toward Hog Pit territory. However, I don't have an issue with any of them putting on the mod hat to remind people not to go fuck with a place whether it was being discussed openly or if someone went to one of them privately with a concern. When in doubt, by all means, err on the side of reminding people that it's not okay to do that here.
Some of this reads more like people who have a personal problem with Auspice just looking for an excuse to gripe, or some people just being against any form of visible moderation whatsoever. If that's the case, maybe find something more worth complaining about next time. This isn't it.
@mietze Because I started it as a reply to you talking about mods having the authority to speak as such, agreeing with that and the idea that this isn't some threat Auspice threw down at anyone.
@mietze Re: mods being able to speak here as mods? No kidding.
Look, if someone's going to get to wear the mod hat, they get to choose when they speak as one. Taking it, in this case, to be any more than a more official "MSB does not condone this kind of shit" kind of message is paranoia and, to me, an attempt to assign a more threatening tone to it than what exists.
MSB mods, clearly, do not support efforts to go troll a game, nor even the potential of anyone here trying to organize such a thing. We can agree that's fine and reasonable, can't we? What is the issue with using MOD VOICE to make that extra clear when it needs to be?
Taking this a step further, would MSB ban anyone here for trying to go through with stirring up shit on a game they have a problem with? How about we don't get to the point of needing to find out? If you have issues with a place, lay them out here for people to read and leave it at that.
MSB has a sort of strange dichotomy between the Hog Pit and just about every other part of the site in that the Hog Pit is the free-for-all place where the shit gets flung while everywhere else is intended to be more presentable. The Hog Pit is the dirty back alley, the dark basement, the creepy uncle nobody wants to talk to at the family gathering, whatever descriptor you want to use for it, but it serves an important and valuable purpose for bringing attention to the shittier side of MU*ing. It helps people be more informed about the bad stuff that happens on some places, whether it's because of players, staffers, or both, and it often works as a way of making sure people know what they may be getting into on a place, good or bad. Yes, sometimes piling on happens. That's human nature.
That doesn't mean it's okay to conspire to troll a place you don't like, and it doesn't mean it's bad for someone with the mod hat to remind people of that.
@tempest I'm not surprised you'd think that, but you're probably still annoyed that I dared to call you out on your victim-blaming bullshit and general attempts to draw attention to yourself.
@bored If you're actually worried about people taking those attitudes regarding what Auspice said, I really don't even care about what those people think in the first place.
@thenomain To be honest, what I'm ultimately getting out of this latest thing is @Tempest seeing a chance to go running to @Arkandel in particular, in a public way rather than a private (PMs), trying to get @Auspice in hot water over some perceived misuse of MOD VOICE when the reasoning behind it is really not controversial at all.
What does it attempt to accomplish? Perhaps getting more people to distrust Auspice being fit to have moderator privileges here. I don't know if she belongs as one or not, so I'm not touching that side of things.
But again, the basis for the question stems from there being a concern about people using MSB as a way to organize going over to a place to do...something. People have already generally agreed that fucking with a game is not okay, and neither is using MSB as a way to try organizing such things, so raising any kind of complaint or question over that as the catalyst under the guise of "misuse of MOD VOICE" is questionable at best to me. At worst, it comes off like an attempt to stir the anti-Auspice pot.
@thenomain In a case of "Don't go fuck with a place, guys," I don't think that's the sort of thing that needs to be run by anyone else.
It's been said so often here that it shouldn't raise any eyebrows regardless of what someone thinks about MOD VOICE, who's saying it, what issues someone has with Auspice, or whatever else.
"Don't go fuck with a place" should be universally accepted as fair and just.
What I'm getting out of this latest blow-up is Auspice used MOD VOICE to tell people not to go troll a place, Tempest pitched a fit about it, and now here we are with another back-and-forth.
Is that about the long and short of it?
Am I the only one who thinks it's a little skeevy to seek a discount (or, perhaps, a starving artist just in need of work, willing to do it for cheap) right off the top because the purpose of it is just for a hobby right now, you just got a job, but you hope this will turn into a bigger thing?
Maybe I'm making too much out of this based on how I read it, but I would expect an artist to be paid fairly and normally for whatever's done and not lower any typical prices simply because this is just a hobby or whatever. Obviously you want it to become more than that.
But, no harm in asking. Good luck!
(And, yes, of course you should be willing to pay. Duh!)
If I hit a point where I feel I can't trust staff enough to think they won't even screw up simple things, I'm out. Blatant mishandling of situations, openly biased decision-making, and hypocrisy in how they enforce their own rules will get me to that point rapidly.
Other than that, pretty much the only other reason I'd leave a place that isn't related to my own availability is if I'm just not having fun with who I'm playing, or I feel there isn't much else for me to do there. However, I have bailed on places that weren't very active and weren't showing growth as well.
Solutions to the first part should be pretty simple to figure out. There's not much that could have changed in the second part when some of it is related to my own declining interest and motivation, and if a place can't bring in new players it doesn't have much of a future.
And, you can try to exclude it all you like, but the "life got you, you lost interest" reason is a valid one. Not everything is about leaving because shit hit the fan in some way, unless that's all you're really interested in reading about. It's not always about the drama.
Also, why would you NOT want to accept harassment as a reason in this thread? What, exactly, are you trying to limit the reasons to?