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ZekeTheG33k

ZekeTheG33k

@Jennkryst said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Seamus said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Ghost said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Seamus said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Ghost said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

I'll poke in here and note that whether or not Kinfolk are second class citizens isnt a standard.

It varies based on tribe, auspice, personality, etc.

Some tribes, garou, auspices might argue that the litany only requires them do certain things but doesn't inherently make them in charge. "Cleaving to the mortal world" doesn't mean to treat kinfolk like baby farms who dont count, but could also mean to cleave to their wisdom and respect them for their burden to be the parents of children who they will inevitably have to see go off to fight with a life expectancy of less than 10 years post-change.

W:tA, like all WoD, is subject to the whims and interpretation of the people who play it, but nowhere in the books does it state these things to be standards.

It is absolutely possible that a pack could bind around a Kinfolk as the heart and soul of their pack.

I imagine the Tribes most likely to treat Kinfolk as 2nd class to be: Get of Fenris, Shadow Lords, Red Talons, Silver Fangs, and maybe Uktena

But could I see Wendigo, Black Furies, Children of Gaia, and Glass Walkers honoring their kinfolk at higher levels? Totally.

Red Talons don't have human kinfolk, that survive...

Right, but even their lupine kinfolk are litter machines

I would argue, in their case, that's probably the most accurate reason. They prefer the feral life, and while female wolves are valuable to the pack, they are just animals and the Talons tend to defer to their animalistic nature more oft than not. So in this one case, that's probably the most correct portrayal of what a female Kinfolk would be doing.. Which is why most games don't allow Talon Kinfolk.

Curveball: Red Talon Lupine Kinfolk who is a Gaian Kami/Posessed (who can also shapeshift into hoo-manz)

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ZekeTheG33k

@Ghost said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Seamus said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

@Ghost said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

I'll poke in here and note that whether or not Kinfolk are second class citizens isnt a standard.

It varies based on tribe, auspice, personality, etc.

Some tribes, garou, auspices might argue that the litany only requires them do certain things but doesn't inherently make them in charge. "Cleaving to the mortal world" doesn't mean to treat kinfolk like baby farms who dont count, but could also mean to cleave to their wisdom and respect them for their burden to be the parents of children who they will inevitably have to see go off to fight with a life expectancy of less than 10 years post-change.

W:tA, like all WoD, is subject to the whims and interpretation of the people who play it, but nowhere in the books does it state these things to be standards.

It is absolutely possible that a pack could bind around a Kinfolk as the heart and soul of their pack.

I imagine the Tribes most likely to treat Kinfolk as 2nd class to be: Get of Fenris, Shadow Lords, Red Talons, Silver Fangs, and maybe Uktena

But could I see Wendigo, Black Furies, Children of Gaia, and Glass Walkers honoring their kinfolk at higher levels? Totally.

Red Talons don't have human kinfolk, that survive...

Right, but even their lupine kinfolk are litter machines

I would argue, in their case, that's probably the most accurate reason. They prefer the feral life, and while female wolves are valuable to the pack, they are just animals and the Talons tend to defer to their animalistic nature more oft than not. So in this one case, that's probably the most correct portrayal of what a female Kinfolk would be doing.. Which is why most games don't allow Talon Kinfolk.

ZekeTheG33k

@Ghost said in Anyone kind enough to help me with oWoD?:

I'll poke in here and note that whether or not Kinfolk are second class citizens isnt a standard.

It varies based on tribe, auspice, personality, etc.

Some tribes, garou, auspices might argue that the litany only requires them do certain things but doesn't inherently make them in charge. "Cleaving to the mortal world" doesn't mean to treat kinfolk like baby farms who dont count, but could also mean to cleave to their wisdom and respect them for their burden to be the parents of children who they will inevitably have to see go off to fight with a life expectancy of less than 10 years post-change.

W:tA, like all WoD, is subject to the whims and interpretation of the people who play it, but nowhere in the books does it state these things to be standards.

It is absolutely possible that a pack could bind around a Kinfolk as the heart and soul of their pack.

I imagine the Tribes most likely to treat Kinfolk as 2nd class to be: Get of Fenris, Shadow Lords, Red Talons, Silver Fangs, and maybe Uktena

But could I see Wendigo, Black Furies, Children of Gaia, and Glass Walkers honoring their kinfolk at higher levels? Totally.

Red Talons don't have human kinfolk, that survive...