Mar 18, 2023, 11:03 PM
@Macha I saw the log. The first time you messaged them, they responded and you responded to that.
Also, Google is fucking free. And I'm done giving your dysfunctional ass attention. Just stop.
Ruiz
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Can anyone who has had experience with him, give me some of his tells? Think might have had a run in with him, but not sure. Feel free to PM me too.
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There are several threads scattered around this here forum somewhere. I’ll see if I can track one down.
Racism isn't Tinkerbell. It doesn't need you to believe in it for it to exist.
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“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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It looks very much like him, but I don't know for sure. The tells all are all the from that read and from what they said on Brandnewday. There is a ton in common between this guy and Isaac's pc, including in writing styles, type of pc and voice. But there are a few diffs that make me not fully certain. Idk. But the bottom line I guess is that if someone is acting way if they are not a famous creeper, it is not okay. Rightmeow experience was so close to mind that someone though I wrote her post and she was me!
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Oh, the hilarity of it all. From the thread linked above, concerning Ruiz/Isaac/now Elijah on Harvest Moon:
"Yes. But often times I find people are willing to excuse away behavior with a "yeah that was a crap thing to do but that other person was so fucking annoying/a tramp/was a dick to me, I am glad they're gone too." - Mietze
"I find that this isn't always coincidental. That is: the sorts of players that may run afoul of others for having bad IC/OOC boundaries, who may garner a bit of bad reputation for themselves not always behaving the best, are actually really good targets for creepers, harassers, and manipulators. Both because a history of thin IC/OOC boundaries means they are more easily manipulated, and bad reputation means they are less likely to be listened to." - Roz.
I have also received word that Cobalt reviewed some pages (I was told pages were deleted after someone was banned, but what do I know) and Isaac-player and I fought, because I was accusing him of ... harem building and hiding it. THE SAME THING she had been warned about him for, by other players like Coin and Hexe.
Well gee, Wally...
I DO want to give Cobalt the credit due, for apologizing to Bailey's player for banning him, after reviewing some logs and realizing he did not deserve it.
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@Macha I think there's sometimes an issue with self-blindness and dishonesty across this rather small community. While on one hand it's somewhat nice to see people being open about being callous to mistreatment of people they don't like (or openly admitting that less popular people are easier to mistreat or bury due to people's unwillingness to listen to them when they defend themselves), it's also somewhat of a shame to know that this isn't going to result in some self-willed enlightenment that will urge people who "oft wield the truncheon" to place greater responsibility upon themselves to empathize with mistreated people and avoid abusing accused people who aren't their favorites.
On one hand, the community rushes to defend the alleged "victim" and will vehemently attack anyone who dares to question or blame the "victim", but is open to repeatedly abusing people who have been accused, the accused turns out to be the victim, and behaves as if little wrong had been done by them because it's the fault of the victim's "clout score" with them. One too many cases turn out where the alleged victim is actually the attacker. Then, on the other side of the coin, people will be fucked up to the point of publicly diagnosing others' mental or emotional disabilities (or armchair-diagnosing people with mental or emotional disabilities) and it's okay because they're unpopular...but unleash the fires of hell for not being empathetic (or accommodating of) to some self-diagnosed autism spectrum disorder so long as the person "harmed" is their friend. Let's not get into just how much potential RL damage that can cause a person.
In the end, it's really no different from any high school clique or fucked up church scene. Roles of "who is allowed to abuse" is decided on a social hierarchy and those who don't fall into line with the doctrine are responsible for their own abuse, looking down upon them is justified, and those who think they're at the top of their pathetic social hierarchy become blind in the belief that their purity is beyond reproach.
None of this is actual, normal, real-world behavior and only persists within secluded/insular communities where healthy, reasonable outsiders are too smart and healthy to subject themselves to.
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While @kk may be unsure, having read the suspect's poses and such, I am not. I am 99.5% sure that Isaac is the same player. It's starting to make me feel dirty, finding out all the things he's done/is doing.
While I am not fussed about being pre-banned from a game based on Cobalt's accusations, it does somewhat bother me that this player is allowed to be around, doing.. gods know what.
Knowing he is using being part of the alphabet mafia, and then Autism, ADHD, and other mental health issues as an excuse for his behavior is agitating.
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@Macha You weren't pre-banned due to anyone's accusations. You were banned because you were using my game as a chat service to contact my players and bring your bullshit drama onto the game I pay for. When I decided to ban you for that, you used a VPN to contact one of the same people again, who had already told you in no uncertain terms that they were not going to engage with you on this topic.
DARVO all you want, darlin'. I've been DARVOed by far better.
Also, "alphabet mafia" is some real homophobic bullshit.
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@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
Also, "alphabet mafia" is some real homophobic bullshit.
That's a fact, @Macha. Careful with that.
Of course, though it doesn't negate the point of your post altogether. Deffo wanna avoid using that term, especially when being monitored by people who will just ignore your point(s) and focus on things to hang you with. Making good points or not you probably just bought yourself 20 posts about being a homophobe.
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@Bessarion I am not even talking about your Zombie game, as I have no idea if Isaac is playing there. As for the player I reached out to 'telling me in no uncertain terms'? The other day.. Tuesday or Wednesday?, was the only time I had actually gotten a response while logged in, from said person in question.
Again, I had no idea you had banned me, there wasn't a post, I would have no way of knowing. As for the VPN, I already explained that, as well.
I have no idea what DARVO even stands for, but you go on and do you.
Again, I said I was non-fussed, because I have decided to use some of this time working on some other things that I can sink more time into without the ...well, this bullshit. I had already been there, before the ban/accusation (on my old, sadly busted up laptop, so no VPN), and had already decided it was not for me.
As for the 'homophobic shit'. As someone who is part of that group, I have seen is used fairly often by those of the LGBTQ+ community. Including on the Pack wiki page, for a business open to all identities and sexualities.
However, I shall refrain from using it, in the future, and apologize if anyone was bothered by it. I could edit it, but, it's quoted, and then I'd get dragged for editing, etc.
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@Macha I saw the log. The first time you messaged them, they responded and you responded to that.
Also, Google is fucking free. And I'm done giving your dysfunctional ass attention. Just stop.
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@Bessarion FYI they don't have to stop anything for you to stop giving then attention. You could, at any time, muster up the self control and stop responding.
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@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
And I'm done giving your dysfunctional ass attention. Just stop.
(Bold is mine) That's a personal attack. Please stop.
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I have no idea what DARVO even stands for, but you go on and do you.
Apparently, it means "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender." It's the sort of term that pops up often at Title IX hearings.
As for the 'homophobic shit'. As someone who is part of that group, I have seen is used fairly often by those of the LGBTQ+ community. Including on the Pack wiki page, for a business open to all identities and sexualities.
To me, this is sort of like the black community using the n-word. I don't use the term because it is meant to insinuate that LGBTQ+ members have some sort of illegal or unspoken agenda with the aim of taking over communities, like a criminal organization. I think this is a harmful term to play around with loosely.
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@Bessarion said in Ruiz:
And I'm done giving your dysfunctional ass attention. Just stop.
(Bold is mine) That's a personal attack. Please stop.
Lol.
But spinning a story about how I banned Macha because I wanted Isaac for myself wasn’t? Y’all some on some hypocritical stuff here.
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It's calling out an action, not a personal attack. Do you really not see the difference?
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@reimesu lol Are you for real? Calling out the action would have been “This doesn’t make sense” or “seems like an unfair banning”.
Not spinning up a whole tale about how I wanted Isaac for myself so banned one of his TS partners. Labeling me as just jealous, rather than as I said grossly distressed and disgusted by Macha’s RP.
Hilariously, Isaac, Itzak, AND Macha are all not welcome to my next project. Because they are all, in my opinion, equally problematic and toxic to the community.
The final straw for Macha was her trying to get other people to ask me for a copy of the game db for her.
ETA But I forgot it is your precious Derp who can do no wrong.
Y’all can fuck right off.
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@Cobalt Thanks for your opinion, I'll continue to go by my own. I have not weighed in on my opinion about your actions, or indeed, anyone's. I'm fairly sure you wouldn't want my unvarnished opinion of any of this.
That said, I do think you need to learn the difference between calling out an action and calling someone a name. There is, in fact, a difference.
Have a good night!
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I said that it was conjecture. But that conjecture is based on past experience, wherein you did this to me, personally, twice. (Or three times. I suppose it depends on whether you count 'twice at the same time across different games' as one incident or two.)
I didn't say that's what you did here. Maybe you've changed. It was a long time ago. I said that it would not surprise me if the actual events were more like what I described in the, again, statement of conjecture.
That said, you have done it. Repeatedly. Pretty shamelessly, I might add. It's a pattern that I've personally witnessed, and in fact been on the receiving end of. So I'm perfectly allowed to wonder, and even hypothesize, that maybe you had a personal stake in this incredibly hasty and rash action that, from all evidence so far, was based on exactly the kind of weaponized accusation that I repeatedly warn against.
Perhaps, in the future, consider digging a little deeper before doing something hasty. This one seems to have come back to bite you a bit.
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@Cobalt Actually, Tamara asked for the game, without my prompting, as a group of us were considering opening a sort of sequel. Later, I did, since she had already been speaking to you about such matters, ask her to ask about wiki pages, which I was told would not hold any sort of IP/identifiable information. That was all stuff discussed pre-ban, thank you.
I never asked for the actual database, since you stated why you did not want to hand over the game whole cloth, etc.
It was suggested to ask for backups of the wiki pages.
— 03/05/2023 11:33 PM
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"And yeah, if people wanted to roll their characters in, that'd be fun. But you'd probably want clear support from Feli for that, and I'd ask her for the wiki pages if I were you. There's a basic backup of that that Ares generates, and it should include lots of what you would need."If you had asked me at all, I could have shown you the pages where we each said "If something isn't okay with you, I'll edit it." (paraphrasing) from the night that scene started. I would have been more than happy to.