MSB: The meta-discussion

WTFE

@Ganymede I have no experience with it. We're talking the past tense though; any particular reason?

surreality

If I remember correctly, IGU was Ninjakitten, Peverel, I think ICE and a handful of others as the core group of sensible folk who are still (whenever anyone catches sight of any of them) cool and sensible folks with good heads on their shoulders.

I don't think IGU was ElectricSoup, though. It was a lot closer to what MSB is now, from what I remember, just without a hog pit or as many off-game topic sections.

Thenomain

@WTFE said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

@Ganymede I have no experience with it. We're talking the past tense though; any particular reason?

I would like to remind you at this point that WORA is past tense. It was taken down by a server crash and a lack of being assed.

So in the sense of "still around", WORA is also a failure.

Incidentally, "still around" is a shitty metric of success.

Cupcake

OMG @GHOST ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ghost

@Cupcake said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

OMG @GHOST ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME?!?!?!?!?!?!

@Thenomain said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

Incidentally, "still around" is a shitty metric of success.

The Cleveland Browns

ThatGuyThere

@Ghost said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

The Cleveland Browns

technically the Cleveland Browns are around again they did bolt for greener pastures once already.

FiranSurvivor

I miss the WORA wiki cause it always made me laugh.

Ghost

@FiranSurvivor I'm amazed there isn't a new one. Wikidot has got to know who we are. We create and abandon wikis more frequently than Kardashians get married.

Ganymede

@WTFE said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

I have no experience with it. We're talking the past tense though; any particular reason?

It was around the time that SWOFA became less vitriolic that IGU faded away. IGU was a place where the hate was forbidden, and posters were encouraged to try to come up with solutions for problems. Problems would be reported, but it was substantially more civil than here even.

Misadventure

Wow, solutions. WTF are those?

Thenomain

@Ghost said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

@Thenomain said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

Incidentally, "still around" is a shitty metric of success.

The Cleveland Browns

Exception that proves the rule.

I love Browns fans. If there was a conceptual opposite of "fair weather fans", these people are it. When you can go to your stadium on game-day when you don't even have a team, you should win a fucking prize for a mix of both sad and awesome.

That is, their team might not be a success, but damn their support base is.

Cupcake

@FiranSurvivor said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

I miss the WORA wiki cause it always made me laugh.

I don't.

And I'm sure this surprises no one, ever.

Ghost

@Cupcake Actually, I don't know. Did someone put something about you or someone you care about in there?

I didn't make the wora wiki, but I knew a few who did.

Auspice

tbh I didn't even know WORA had a wiki until today. Like, was not kidding when I recently said I only went there for the bad descs thread.

I miss the bad descs thread.

Ghost

@Auspice It was pretty low-brow. It was used as a way to copy details of MU stupid human tricks, bad descs, All-Star wora personalities, and general fuckery.

Basically, imagine someone chronicling the general conversation threads in the hog pit, saving it, and keeping it in a location where everyone could go and look up how much people hated you.

Cupcake

@Ghost said in MSB: The meta-discussion:

@Cupcake Actually, I don't know. Did someone put something about you or someone you care about in there?

I'm not sure if that question is rhetorical, but the answer should be obvious; yes. I've made no secret of how WORA effected me.

Ghost

It was rhetorical, but alrighty.

surreality

The WORA wiki hadn't been up for years even when it last was, I think. There was always talk of bringing it back but it was on a perpetual '...someone will get around to it' list.

From what I saw of it when I last saw it (which was admittedly a decade or so ago now), it was mostly random descriptions of current games, a few tidbits like the Swedish Chef translation of Nymeria's infamous desc, I think the Blaze desc, the old drinking game rules, and bitching about VASpider.

Not necessarily sure I want to know what happened from there.

I would not be AT ALL averse to creating a wiki setup for the hobby generally, but I would not want one like that, frankly, even just in that I don't think it's cool to share personal info about anybody other than oneself beyond something like a link to be all 'Oh hey I know you, yay!' or roomies or spouses mutually linking to each other or something, social-media style.

It wouldn't be a horrible idea (and I know I talked with @Roz about it before) as something where people could list (themselves) who/where they played as a tool for people to volunteer info/find each other similar to A Shout in the Dark, but I've been staring at wiki code for so many months now I'm a bit oversaturated.

Ghost

@surreality yeaaaaaaaah it seems like a double-edged sword. Vengeful morons could use it for the purposes for evil, but then again, I don't think we've had too many issues on MSB with people trying to make details/flak about other players permanent.

I guess it all comes down to who moderates it, and if something really screwed up gets posted on the wiki, if it can be wholly removed. I've been linked plenty of times to history entries on wikis that weren't the current state of the content, but a washed-over history entry containing the gossip-worthy stuff.

Arkandel

@Ghost The entire point of wikis is that while they can be defaced reverting to earlier versions is also effortless.

So assuming any information offered is voluntary by the rules (i.e. say, you can only add your own past alts/games and not other people's) I don't see a problem. If I don't want you to know I used to play Fucktard Johnson on TR then I don't need to list him.