Optional Realities & Project Redshift
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Internal assumptions are best tested by outside testers, precisely because they don't share those assumptions. IEEE 829
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@Thenomain said:
I'm also willing to believe that some of their reaction to the lashback on this is "It's not for you", for the same reason.
The mysterious bit is, given that it is not for us, why the fuck is it still here? I can see not removing the thread, but keeping it alive with the links to their new articles is off.
Sure, our community would ignore or mock posts about RPI MUDs on an exactly equal basis with anything else that gets posted that just isn't largely what the membership is into, so RPI MUDders are 'welcome' here, but it takes a certain something to put an advert for a 'dirt bike club' on during the Tour de France and say, "Noo, it's a motorcycle club," and "the ad wasn't for you," to the BMX and mountain bike guys who show up.
"... you'll find the story doesn’t end how you think, and the most important characters aren’t who you expect.” - Penny 40 to Derek, The Magicians S04E07 ‘The Side Effect’
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@il-volpe said:
The mysterious bit is, given that it is not for us, why the fuck is it still here? I can see not removing the thread, but keeping it alive with the links to their new articles is off.
Because "not for you" is a recent conclusion, one that is forming new thoughts on the topics formed here. They're trying to understand the reactions, or are coming to understand them and are still not sure what to do with them. It's ... interesting, watching the process.
I mean, their goals are being interpreted with different connotations, but their purpose is the same as any advertisement: Come experience this, come add to this. The question that I think needs answered is what is meant by "this".
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@il-volpe said:
The mysterious bit is, given that it is not for us, why the fuck is it still here? I can see not removing the thread, but keeping it alive with the links to their new articles is off.
Half of our community are MUSHes. There's overlap with our two sites' user bases, whether or not you are personally part of that overlap. Where you fall in that overlap is really up to you. Even though we don't give sub-forums to any game that requests it, we still welcome users and perspectives to partake in discussion on our site even if their perspective is outside of our core demographic. I don't know enough about Game of Bones to say.
It's really that simple.
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Oh, so it is for us.
If we'd only just be more keen to participate in communities that don't serve our interests well.
2/10 = 1/5. 1/5 != 1/2.
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Out for curiousity I went and poked around on the site, because I'm a compulsive reader and I like reading about new stuff.
Is it horrible that I don't even really care what the game that people are calling Burp2 is, but I really really reaaaaallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy want to play it now, because I love the name? That is even better than the sphere WTF.
Why can't WoD places have cool names like that. I may have to check this out now.
I mean really, how can you be logged in to a game that's called burp and not be smiling? That is unbelievably fucking awesome. ANd no, I'm not being sarcastic.
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There's an add for that one here (though it took me 10 minutes to find again, because the Search on this forum doesn't want to find the thread titled Burning Post when I search for "Burning Post").
http://musoapbox.net/topic/408/burning-post-ii
That thread feels like a far better way to talk to players who aren't necessarily MUDers, incidentally.
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@Three-Eyed-Crow said:
There's an add for that one here (though it took me 10 minutes to find again, because the Search on this forum doesn't want to find the thread titled Burning Post when I search for "Burning Post").
http://musoapbox.net/topic/408/burning-post-ii
That thread feels like a far better way to talk to players who aren't necessarily MUDers, incidentally.
Well that's because I wrote that one.
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@il-volpe said:
@Thenomain said:
I'm also willing to believe that some of their reaction to the lashback on this is "It's not for you", for the same reason.
The mysterious bit is, given that it is not for us, why the fuck is it still here? I can see not removing the thread, but keeping it alive with the links to their new articles is off.
Sure, our community would ignore or mock posts about RPI MUDs on an exactly equal basis with anything else that gets posted that just isn't largely what the membership is into, so RPI MUDders are 'welcome' here, but it takes a certain something to put an advert for a 'dirt bike club' on during the Tour de France and say, "Noo, it's a motorcycle club," and "the ad wasn't for you," to the BMX and mountain bike guys who show up.
See this right here is something that I've been asking forever.
I think it's fair to say that an advertisement post, should be an advertisement post, followed by some discussion about the thing being advertised either for or against, not, as has been done here, a continuous string of 'content' updates.
Any of us who DO have interest in the site, would SEE THE FUCKING NEW ARTICLES ON THE SIGHT.
We don't NEED nor APPRECIATE constant 'updates' about shit that doesn't pertain to us.
Period.
Stop.
Go the fuck home.
Especially since this forum doesn't have the ability to block a poster. I'd /happily/ block posts, and a few topics, to not get them to show up whenever there's a new message.
I slogged through I don't know how many pages of this, just to see more self righteous nonsense spilled by the people who can't understand why we're upset.
I saw the coke and pepsi ads comparison and it's more like...
Trying to market Viagra or Cialis to lesbians. All the time. Inescapably, and then being mad when they get pissed.
Then take in the OR crowd thinking that wading in and being even MORE insulting and aggressive than they already /were/ is going to help... and being upset when they get destroyed over it.
That's what we do.
When we're not being ultra helpful, we're destroying everyone's happy pretendy funtimes.
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@Lithium said:
Go the fuck home.
Yeah ... nobody's forcing you to read this thread. Nobody's demanding that you read all of the content updates.
And none of us care how many times we're told (through insinuation), "You're too different than me, so get off of my internet space or I'm going to wildly insult you and throw a tantrum."
If we think there's value in advertising here, and we're doing so within the rules, we're going to continue to do so.
I think what's interesting is that all of the talk about our mission statement (the meat of the criticism of our site, with points that I tend to agree with) ... after we admit that the feedback is on the nose there and we're going to take it ... the conversation here reverts back to "you're different, you don't belong, go the fuck away, we don't want you here."
Which is exactly the sort of coarse, aggressive attitude that brought me here to begin with.
@il-volpe said:
Oh, so it is for us.
If we'd only just be more keen to participate in communities that don't serve our interests well.
There is a lot of blanket use of "us vs them" language on this thread that I continue to think is silly. Can you really speak for every user and game on this site? Can you tell me that there are no MUSHes on this site that feature, or might consider featuring, non-consent permanent death and automated combat? Can you say, with universal certainty, that nobody here would have an interest in both (inherently similar) sub-genres, or our site?
Or are you just beating your chest?
We're not some sort of threat, or invading force. We've answered folks' questions, responded to their concerns, and made changes to our site based on the actual useful feedback that we've received.
So, will we now see that the detractors on this thread won't be happy until they've scared us away from their community?
Well, that's not going to happen. Trying to make it so is just a waste of both of our time.
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This thread reminds me of a saying. It's an important saying.
Sun Tzu said:
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.
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OK, now we're going to take a turn for the harder stuff. The most powerful stuff I've shown thus far is the comparatively wimpy 52% mare's milk hooch. Let's talk something more brain-damaging.
This stuff is 68%/136 proof of raw jolt. It's a sorghum and wheat liquor. This is not sipping liquor. This is toss it back and wait for it to explode inside your head liquor. Drinking it is like having your brains liquified with a blender. I ordinarily describe Chinese sorghum liquors as "what diesel would taste like if diesel tasted good". This is just what diesel tastes like. It is not a subtle booze I guess is the point I'm trying to get across. (I should note that its nickname is "liquid magma".)
And yet, despite all of what I just said, this drink has its followers and adherents. I'm even one of them (in small doses and only occasionally, which is why I didn't gift you with a picture of my own bottle; I haven't had one of these in my home in over a year). Through the throat-clenching pain and stomach-churning impact there shines some unexpected subtleties. You need practice—oh GOD do you need practice!—with the alcohol burn to spot them, but once you do, this hooch can become somewhat of an obsession.
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@mietze said:
I mean really, how can you be logged in to a game that's called burp and not be smiling?
How dare you smile on a game based on the World of DARKNESS. Darrrrrkneeeesssssss*. Mind you, I thought "Start Your Engines" was a very ridiculous name. Every time I saw it I thought that it couldn't be serious.
CrackMUX was far more fun when it wasn't serious, too, and stopped being played when it got ForSrs.
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@Thenomain Not enough ess's
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Warning: Before anyone reads this and gets all "hah, I am right!," or "no, I am right!", I'm still tired of that bullshit from both sides of the aisle. Optional Realities brought the 'us vs. them' mentality here whether they realized it or not. (And I think it's pretty easy to see that they continue, which makes complaints against it ironic.)
This doesn't mean the people of Soapbox's are okay to pull it out of context, but they are people, while OR's representatives can all be considered, as one, "Optional Realities". This may seem unfair to both sides, but I don't really care about fair; I care about what is, and how the world works. Disagree or not, this is now the world works.
As far as I care, OR can post here about their projects all day. That's what we, Soapbox, are here for. This is easy to say because Soapbox is for pretty much everything having to do with this hobby, including the people in the hobby and their unusual drinking habits or non-text-game-playing or Muds or Mushes or Moos or whatever. We may not be for thread-spamming, but so far no harm has been done with it so what the hell.
MOD VOICE: I am not the final authority on any thread spamming going on in this thread, I just don't think it's important enough for me to bring it to the other two.
However, I am again getting tired of authoritarian revisionism, so I decided to do a little of my own research. These are the sites listed on OR's "Partners" page, and their codebase as listed in MudConnect. Where they were not clearly listed, I tried to briefly scan their website or log in to determine. I could not find one, but I'm going to list it as a Mud-type.
- Sindome: MOO
- The Evolution of Esos Mud: Diku
- Shadows of Isildur: Diku
- LabMUD: FutureMUD
- The Sea of Storms: Smaug
- Armageddon: Diku
- Haven: Mist and Shadow: Custom (I tried logging in to find out more but nngh, no)
- No Return: Penn
- OtherSpace: Penn
- Project Redshift: Not listed, presumed Mud.
Final Count. Mush-types: 2. Mud-types: 7. Moo/Muck-types: 1.
I will continue to do other fact-checking as time permits, and encourage others to report similar findings here. Facts probably should be backed up with evidence, but what the game of he-said-she-said back-and-forth going on here is also fun to read. I guess it depends on whether your goal is speaking truth to power, or enjoying yourself watching people trip over themselves.
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@thenomain Haven is a mud type. Reason: Objects have hard coded types.
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@Alzie Yeah, I assumed when I logged in and the text spazzed all over my telnet window and I couldn't see anything that I was typing. Bad terminal control seems to be a Mud-type artifact. I made a character, I think (likewise: not knowing if you made a character seems to be a Mud-type thing), and that's as far as I got. Nonetheless, thanks.
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O hai. I glance at this thread now and then, but I don't care enough about any of the topics (other fora, booze, angry ranting between adults) involved to be all up ins with the Mod Voice. So far nobody's done anything worth banninating or thread-closing or the like. I've a mild itch to separate the booze into its own thread, but that's my tidiness talking, not actual concern.
Carry on carrying on. Theno will speak up if it gets so awful it just can't be borne. He's not the only one, any MSB user is welcome to ask for an ice-bath from the three of us. But understand that if you ask me to read the whole thing and make a call, it might not be the call you want. We're trying to be as laissez faire as possible about this shit. I don't have the interest or energy in being anyone's mom.
ES
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@Bobotron said:
OtherSpace
Wow, that's still a thing?
It's not still a thing, it's again a thing. I believe the "we are trying this again" came up on Wora before its grand death-star-like explosion.
