There is a lot that I don't know about this situation.
What I do know is that I am do not consider saying let them die and so forth to be acceptable.
What I do know is that I am not going to deny anyone care.
What policly should be and so forth is over my head, but the hateful language on both sides is stressing me out badly and I don't think it does anything to help fix things.
@kk said in Pandemic Era Issues:
/Let them die/ and similar statements said by people who are educated and so forth to communities who are less educated is not going to do much to encourage others to take the vaccine, if anything that kind of lang encourages doubling down on the issues and enhances the fear.
This.
@arkandel said in Pandemic Era Issues:
Do you accept that woman's child to the same school yours goes to, knowing they may transfer Covid-19 and get your elderly relative killed?
There's a middle ground between accepting their behavior and throwing up your hands and saying "screw 'em, let 'em die".
The latter not only isn't a particularly moral stance (IMHO), it doesn't help stop them from endangering others, which is the main concern.
We need to reach these people, not sacrifice them.
@arkandel said in Pandemic Era Issues:
How does the logic go from "my freedom to not be vaccinated" to "stop others from being vaccinated"?
Logic was never part of it.
Sending your child to a school where you don't know or control what other families are doing or not doing always entails some risk. Especially a child of an age where they cannot be vaccinated. My youngest is too young for the vaccine, and has asthma that lands him in the ER usually several times when he contracts an upper respiratory infection (except for last year, which means honestly I'm considering having him mask up for flu season even when they're no longer required in my area). I know people who have gotten covid even though they're vaxed, who have children the same age as my youngest.
And so we did sit down and weigh our options when it came time for sending him to in person school. Ultimately we decided that it was better for him educationally and for mental health reasons for him to go to in person school, masked, with covid-19 protocols practiced by the kids. We absolutely believe there are people who will send their infected kids to school (it's already happened a few times in the district, because the parents didn't want to be discriminated against for their kid having covid). We believe it's very likely that there will be asymptomatic kids in his classroom (or he may be one at some point). The only way to control the situation is to have him be home with me quitting my job and forbidding our college age kids from being in the house with us. Maybe if we were caring for an elder relative on immunosuppresive therapy, we would do that, or if there was some other situation. I think there are some families that would choose to do that in our situation and think we are horrible people for not.
It's just a part of life. Whenever we go get medical care now, we're weighing the risk of exposure. Going to an outdoor gathering or not. Going into the store if I forget to order our stuff for curbside pickup.
We shouldn't be putting yet another burden on medical staff than they already have. Do I think it's fair my fat, middle aged ass in a triage situation probably would be put behind the 25 year old healthy fit mom with 3 little kids but who also is a rabid covid anti-vaxxer and anti-mask activist, if there was only 1 ventilator between us? No, but I accept that's the reality.
There is one group of people that I know that is scared of vaccinations, and a LOT of work is being done by leadership of that group to get them educated/unscared. They are frightened because they were medically experimented on and murdered via that medical experimentation by the US government, within living memory. This is a reasonable fear. I do not think "let them die" is appropriate. It hurts me a great deal to hear people I care about expressing this sentiment, because these people DO NOT deserve to just die.
There is another group of people that I know that is also scared of vaccination. My step-brother-in-law got COVID, after thinking for a while it was a hoax. He got a positive diagnosis, then two days later went to his daughter's wedding. He didn't mask up, he didn't tell anyone, he didn't alter his behavior at all. His 93 year old grandmother was there. My parents were there (including my medically vulnerable mother). The majority of their family was there. I skipped it because I don't trust them. Three days after the wedding, he was so sick that he had to be hospitalized.
They didn't tell anyone. They didn't tell a soul until two weeks after. I am still seeing white with rage when I think about it. I still don't think "let them die" is an appropriate sentiment. I don't know how to fix it? But "let them die" just isn't a solution that works for me.
@sunny For clarity, I'm not talking about people that are scared of getting vaccinations due to previous trauma or last history. I'm not talking about them.
I'm talking about people that politicizied the vaccine
I'm talking about people that downplay Covid.
I'm talking about people that won't take it because 'mUh FrEeDoMs'.
I'm talking about people who think god will protect them.
I'm talking about people who push fake articles thinking that they prove the vaccine is more harmful than good.
I'm talking about people promote misinformation because it'll get them elected.
I'm talking about people that downplay the efficacy of the free vaccine in order to push their multi-thousand dollar antibody therapy.
I'm talking about people who push fucking horse dewormer.
I can keep going if you like. But I'm not talking about,
The immunocompromised.
Children.
People with cultural trauma over medical experimentation.
Organ transplant recipients.
People undergoing HIV treatment.
But that top list? Yes, I literally do not give two fucks if they live or die. And if they do happen to die of Covid? My compassion is zero. My sympathy is zero. I. Do. Not. Care.
They fucked around, well now they found out.
@testament said in Pandemic Era Issues:
@sunny For clarity, I'm not talking about people that are scared of getting vaccinations due to previous trauma or last history. I'm not talking about them.
What the fuck? That's a thing? Vaccine trauma? Fucking how the hell does that work? Not trying to discount experiences, but this literally makes no sense to me. It's like an alien language.
I'm going to shut this topic down for a bit.
For me, it's getting a little trigger-y. And political. And maybe we should not have gone down this road given the strong feelings which were inevitable.
We have our positions. We've stated why. At this point, it's getting to the point of unnecessary aggro outside of the Hog Pit.
There is a lot that I don't know about this situation.
What I do know is that I am do not consider saying let them die and so forth to be acceptable.
What I do know is that I am not going to deny anyone care.
What policly should be and so forth is over my head, but the hateful language on both sides is stressing me out badly and I don't think it does anything to help fix things.
