Posts made by Cirno

Let me just upload a picture of myself, by the way.

Any questions?

@DnvnQuinn

Fair enough. I had thought you were afraid people would have said you were pretending to be black to troll people, which is a real thing people say.

@DnvnQuinn

My apologies.

I retract my previous statement regarding it, then, but why did you not declare it earlier?

I declare my race, gender, and sexuality frequently to avoid mixups.

@Ganymede said:

@Thenomain said:

So then either all lives matter, no lives matter, or the truth is somewhere in between.

I just tell people: to me, your life does not matter.

So I take it you won't be joining the "Asians for Black Lives Matter" group?

It exists and you can Google them.

@deadculture said:

@SG said:

@DnvnQuinn said:
The act of preventing white people from entering a place based on the color of their skin is the same thing the black's fought to get rid of. Turning around and doing the same things (like your "White people harassed blacks, so...it's not bad when black folks do it to whites" suggestion above) helps absolutely no one.

I disagree. Pretty much all of North America is a safe space for straight white people. Having Safe Space areas on campuses for minorities can be really helpful for building up mental health support networks.

Safe spaces? Are you fucking kidding me? Either ALL ARE EQUAL before the law or NO ONE is. There's no in between. Why does anyone need a safe space? Shouldn't people learn to live with eachother? This reeks of intellectual dishonesty to me.

And @Ganymede has it right with her response. For fuck's sake.

And @Cirno, I do support law enforcement. But then, I live in a shithole that's nowhere near North America and you don't know how good you've got until you've become a statistic every time you get out of the house. My cousin yesterday got robbed by walking to the bakery by the corner of his street.

As a privileged majority white person, you already occupy a safe space, so I am not surprised you don't see the need for them.

And I find your false outrage at the idea objectionable and unnecessary. Why are you threatened by the concept of minority safe spaces?

There are Indian reservations, gay bars, Lesbian bars, and nobody bats an eye, but suggesting there should be an all-black space makes people lose their minds!

@Arkandel

That is unlikely as long as black people and white people are different shades, thus irrevocably dividing the races into us vs. Them.

@Glitch

Have you considered that black people can stop police violence by forming armed militias?

It worked for Cliven Bundy and the Tea Party, remember them?

There are already armed black militias taking shape; Google the Asafo Gun Club and the Huey P. Newton gun club.

I have a gun, and three people is legally considered a militia; you are all more than welcome to arm yourselves and join me.

We shall call ourselves the WORA Panther Gun Club, and it will be crossracial and progressive, since, apparently, now white people want to be part of our sphere all of a sudden.

@Glitch said:

Homogeneous groups become echo chambers of stale ideas and beliefs. Without constant exposure to outside influence, chances for empathy or understanding of those outside the group is slim.

But what do we stand to gain from understanding white people? How does it meaningfully impact our lives?

@DnvnQuinn said:

@Three-Eyed-Crow said:

@DnvnQuinn said:

segregate colleges

This word maybe does not mean what you think it means.

"separate or divide (people, activities, or institutions) along racial, sexual, or religious lines."

Means exactly what I think it means. There are a group of BLM folks who wants places that White people cannot go into.

A small question: would this impact the lives of white people in any way?

I mean, a goodly sized number of white people tend to move out of neighborhoods as soon as black people move in, and you don't really hear white people saying, "I wanna be around black people!"

@DnvnQuinn said:

@Cirno said:

@DnvnQuinn said:

@Cirno said:

@DnvnQuinn

Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.

Their message comes through, clear as a bell:

I am upset that black people are doing things!

It can be reduced even further:

I am upset about black people!

These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."

Absolutely.

They probably also think the law enforcement officers are doing a good job, and that shooting an unarmed black man twenty times is a cool bean.

People who are against BLM are just....ugh.

I'm for BLM, but against that subgroup who are using it to segregate colleges and harassing white people for being white (being white automatically makes you racist to some of them). It's a very fine edge to walk...It's hard too to be for something and against something in different ways. Especially because it's hard for me to put my feelings down in writing, it always comes out wrong.

There are lots of white people in BLM, though.

I don't condone the harassment, but one should consider the following: a number of white people have been harassing black people for being black for centuries, now, and little was done in the way of prevention.

In fact, they are still doing it. Some of them conceal their racism under a polite mask of pretending to be offended by "tone", or implying that a black person is being "disrespectful", or "divisive", or "offensive", whatever the hell that means, or just generally being as contrarian and disapproving where black people are concerned - disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

Academics have dubbed this pathological sort of behavior as "microaggression".

@DnvnQuinn said:

@Cirno said:

@DnvnQuinn

Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.

Their message comes through, clear as a bell:

I am upset that black people are doing things!

It can be reduced even further:

I am upset about black people!

These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."

Absolutely.

They probably also think the law enforcement officers are doing a good job, and that shooting an unarmed black man twenty times is a cool bean.

People who are against BLM are just....ugh.

@DnvnQuinn

Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.

Their message comes through, clear as a bell:

I am upset that black people are doing things!

It can be reduced even further:

I am upset about black people!

@Thenomain said:

So then either all lives matter, no lives matter, or the truth is somewhere in between.

When the truth is "somewhere in-between", just how far can we go deciding which ones matter and which ones don't. Just how far can we go deciding who gets to decide. Just how far can we go deciding the criteria.

I have RL anger toward this kind of discussion because in recent culture it becomes a contest into the bottomless pit of self-deluded solipsism. "No, you're being selfish, I'm fighting for a cause." It's like the difference between terrorists and freedom-fighters. In both cases, the lives of people just trying to get by are utterly and truly fucked.

And that's where socioeconomic elitists come in when having a discussion about things that generally piss you off.

And that kind of egotism generally pisses me off.

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edit: I think the term I'm looking for, that I hate, is Straw Man.

You know, for a coder, you are remarkably dense sometimes.

As someone on Twitter said, "Black Lives Matter" does not mean ONLY black lives matter, and interpreting the statement that way can be read as either ignorance, malice, racism, or all three.

It's like trying to say that people who say "save the rainforests" are saying "FUCK ALL OTHER KINDS OF FORESTS."

Or it's like going to a Greenpeace meeting about endangered whales and screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT LOBSTERS????!!! All LOBSTERS matter!"

It pleases me immensely to know that @deadculture is one of those people who feels threatened by an organization that has the audacity to suggest that law enforcement should stop murdering innocent people.

No, really.

Now we all know that he's one of Them.

That is gratifying.

I wonder if he also has one of those rockin' bumper stickers saying "Support Local Law Enforcement", and complains to all his white friends about how black people complain too much.

@deadculture

Why... would they do that?

Since when have white people needed a reason to do anything, pal? Are you familiar with the last 1000 years of history? You're talking about the people that initiated two world wars and Overseas Colonialism for fun and profit.

That 'professor' isn't exactly the paragon of cleverness, either. If some slab-sided white girl approached me and said "I have cancer", I'd be all like, "Get the fuck out of my face."

EDIT:

My response to the downvotes is as follows:

FinnXPoe is my OTP.

@Thenomain

When are you gonna do that MLP/WOD crossover game, T?

When?!

@Jennkryst said:

@Derp said:

So far the only Jedi we've seen be in a relationship (in the movies, mind you -- Mara Jade is still <3) was Anakin, and love of Padme drove him to atrocity and desperation and all that. I think there would be a nerd eruption if a Jedi shacked up with someone.

There is some serious hand-on-thigh action between Obi-wan and Padme in Episode 2. To make the prequels interesting, watch Ep 1 with with Darth-Darth Binks theory in mind, and Eps 2-3 with the idea that 'Obi-wan was totally banging Padme' angle.

The Darth Binks theory seriously fucked with my head when I watched the Pod Race again and Anakin's podracer starts up right after Binks says "Come on, Ani!"

That was too coincidental. It gave me chills.

Also, I heard on the grapevine that Gungans have really big dicks. [bites lower lip] I bet they've got really big, heavy balls, too. They probably fuck for hours at a time.

While we're talking about Obi-Wan trying to give Padme the D...have you considered the time when Jar Jar and Padme were alone on the Royal Yacht?

Nnnf....

Something with more black people in it.

Thanks, Glitch.

You are a True Hero.

@Cobaltasaurus said:

I also liked her stand alone 'Frozen'

I'm sad that this isn't an erotic novel about Queen Elsa of Arendelle.