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@ZombieGenesis said in What Would it Take to Repair the Community?:

Remember that there are actual people on the other end of these usernames. We often take the fact that we can see the actual human for granted and say things to or about them that we would never do in person. I know that's true of the internet, but I think it's especially relevant to here.

Just stop being judgy. Period. One of my biggest peeves is when someone does not like something, and they take on the mentality that it shouldn't exist. If you don't like something, ignore it. Don't attack it. Don't try and scare other people away from it.

I REALLY liked these.

I've thought about the first a lot through my time in the games. "I have no idea who this person is. They could be male when they say they're female. They could be older than they say they are. They're strangers." So with that I came to the realization that they could be more or less mentally/emotionally stable than me. They could be putting more or less stock into the game's outcome than me. I have no idea who this person is, what kind of life or day they've had, and what their emotional strength is...but I DO KNOW MINE.

In the few cases I've come across where I was in a situation where I questioned the mental/emotional health of a player to the point where I questioned their safety...it made me question how important it was for me to be RIGHT and instead question how necessary some argument or disagreement really was to me. Most of the time, even when I knew I was in the right, I just walked away.

The other players are people too, even if they're just text. Life is better when everyone treats each other like people with feelings.

WHICH LEADS INTO THE OTHER POINT ABOUT NOT BEING TOO JUDGY.

The same concepts apply to being over-judgmental. That could also be very rude or damaging to someone who you don't even know who they are. I've seen players made fun of like they were stupid for having bad spelling when in reality the player was very nice and spoke English as a second language. It's simply not necessary to be over-judgmental.

@surreality

You're good people. Good on you for apologizing for where you felt you went wrong.

There are people out there that are aware that some people want to avoid drama, and will use that as a means to control the playing field gossip-wise. Good on you for acknowledging that you got played, but the bigger sin's on the person who did the playing. Don't lose sight of that.

I have personal experiences to add to this conversation, but will abstain from detail and simply say that the behavior mentioned in this thread is real and has been happening for years.

Be good to each other. All y'all.

@macha said in How can we incentivize IC failure?:

I think the problem some players run into, is that they're more than willing to be 'part of the team' like you do in TT, but then they end up in scenes with players who.. aren't. It makes it hard to do anything impactful when someone else is always going in, guns blazing.

Can confirm. I know I've had that feeling before, personally.

Like a TT player I'd try to stay in my lane and not try to Hog the scene, but then someone(s) would just bowl over that goodwill, try to do everything, and try to Hog all the attention/xp. Left me feeling like my fairness and trying to be conscientious of others was being taken advantage of. I know it made me passive aggressive more than once.

I love this idea, for the record.

I'm picturing some ancient, leathery vampire like Viktor from Underworld who is responsible for protecting a teenaged girl in 2019.

Vampire: "My servants have explained to me that you have been conversing with a MONSTR54RAD4423 that you'd met on a CHIVE. This boy has not been presented to me-"

TEEN: "Ohhh. Emm. Geee. Really?!?! For one, you need to know what Chive is, but double-u-tee-H, Vladamir went through my iPhone??? This is some bullsh-"

I would play this forever.

<INCOMING TEXT FROM RADICALPERSON12> Greetings, I enjoy your profile very much. By chance are you using this profile to send sext messagers to your peers?

<Return Text> GOD DAMNIT, RADU ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SPYING ON ME ON TINDER?

<INCOMING TEXT FROM RADICALPERSON12> I disapprove of your use of language and will end this correspondence with the expressed hope that you learn the error of your behaviors and seek to woo prospective matches with grace, poise, and many fewer bikini self photographs. I know no such Radu. My name is Stephen.

<INCOMING TEXT FROM CHARMINGBOY68332> Greetings! I very much disprove of rude people. I have noble family in Bucharest. Would you like to court?

<Return Text> STOOOOOOOOOPPPPP PLEASE

Here's a well-spoken and well-crafted argument:

I don't think that everyone involved in this chat is interested in repairing things or making things better, but instead doing damage or attacking others under the guise of well-crafted responses that are designed to fly under the radar of "board rules" but directed enough to allow for going to another forum that does allow for personal insults to high five each other "Hah! GOOD ONE!"

Here's my explanation.

Say one were interested in CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE VICTIMS AREN'T BLAMED. How can that be achieved while saying that other people are trying to create an environment where bad guys can roam free, how a desire to make sure innocents aren't wrongly accused, while those people are trying to simply come up with a solution that makes sense? Accusations and these "theories about super agendas" are, in fact, victimizing others. So by attacking people for having a civil discussion...it would be victimizing people in the name of...ending victimization?

There's a logic that doesn't flow in some of these behaviors.

• Personal attacks are bad, so I'm going to make personal attacks because I interpreted your statement as an indirect attack
• I don't like people theorizing things about me, but that's because your agenda is to...
• I'm not okay with you talking about trying to be civil and respectful now because back in March of 2004 you said....

The reason why no one is shifting or yielding on these points (myself included) is because some of the counter-arguments have been proposed alongside accusations of extreme things like "trying to bring Cullen back!" or "fascist!" or "I bet you're probably someone banned for the forum trying to trick everyone into letting you back in!" Sure, these things make for great headlines, but these arguments aren't designed in any way to be civil. They're designed to throw hate. I myself have even been referred to as "one of the most vile personalities on the forum EVAR", not that anyone has an actual problem with me hunting them down to belittle them publicly in front of others. Again, looks great on headlines but isn't productive at all.

But that's kind of the point, isn't it? These accusations and clever wordings aren't dealt in private because having the audience to "OOOOO" and "OHHHH" like a rap battle IS kind of the point at play, and it's NOT normal, it's NOT civil, it's NOT respectful, and it's not designed to...make anything better. There is little point other than to throw shots and jabs to come over to "teach people a lesson" when they're trying to "discuss a concept with civility" other than to crash that party, pour gasoline on it, and laugh with your friends.

Worse yet, there's a lot of stretching in the community ethics-wise in terms of "This person is so horrible that my horrible behavior in response is both fun and justified"...thus completely dismantling the importance of "not being horrible" to begin with. In the end, it's really about "Who gets to hold the lash." So, with the topic in mind, I think that people need to take a good, long look into WHY they're involving themselves in this conversation. If it's not to DISCUSS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REPAIR THE COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT AND CIVILITY then please do everyone a favor and create a topic on your forum that -does- allow people to be fucking punks towards each other, invite people to discuss it how you want to there, and call it a day. You can act like that with the people who show up for that.

There are people that are trying to enjoy an environment where they can discuss things without having to dodge bullets constantly, and the fact that these discussions (intended to be civil) continually involve people popping in to shoot bullets is probably key in terms of what the major hurdles are to actually establish some form of mature civility in the community.

I think people should meditate on that. There's a lot to think on, there. Clearly there are open wounds that have festered, but in concept I think people need to consider things like: "If someone were to BEG for civility and a cease-fire, would you honor that?"

I just think there's a lot of value in stepping back and taking a look at the big picture and asking the following question:

"There are 2 forums, and it appears that most of the people who dislike each other are on separate forums. So why so much reaching across the aisle to ensure that you're continuing to interact with people you don't like?"

And, I say this respectfully, I skimmed past a lot of the personal insults and whatnot on BMD, and it doesn't appear that BMD has a problem with people from here coming over there to insult them, sooo....what's the point of this? Is it okay if people try to discuss this topic without being attacked, or what?

Another fun thing is the Unspoken Sun Tzu Law of Urinal Selection. No one fucking taught me this but I guarantee that if you go to a restroom to stand to pre, you know this.

Say there are six urinals. (Which, for the sake of fun, will be marked with a 'P'.) EMPTY urinals are '0' and the number is which order people arrive to pee in.

P-P-P-P-P-P

Pick any which one that you want, but usually one to either far side is appropriate because...

P-P-P-P-P-P
1-0-0-0-0-2

If one is on one side the other goes over there, which means...

P-P-P-P-P-P
1-0-3-3-0-2

Guy #3 can choose either or. No big deal.

P-P-P-P-P-P
1-6-5-3-4-2

Above is "Halftime at the game, all spaces taken. No one really talks."

Here are some other known configs...

P-P-P-P-P-P
1-0-2-0-0-0

Relatives, perhaps. People flying together. The one-urinal buffer zone is kind of like when 2 people go to a movie but aren't on a date so they don't sit next to each other. That seat in between means "Whoa, I'll watch Ant Man with you but I ain't fucking you after..."

P-P-P-P-P-P
1-2-0-0-0-0

So...this is where it gets interesting. If there are 5 urinal spaces open and someone for no reason chooses the one next to yours, it opens up this choose your own adventure game...

1. They might be looking at your dick. In some cases they probably are. In some cases it's probably totally cool. If it's not cool...

2. ...it's terribly awkward if they don't talk to you and are NOT looking at your dick. YOU HAVE GOT TO TALK OR ELSE IT'S FLIRTING. Suggested dialogue includes...

• Hey that meeting at 4 got changed to a Skype meeting.
• So I picked up that new Call of Duty game, holy shit.
• God, bro didja see the Yankees are getting murdered by the Cubbies? Fuckin A.
• You're both murderers and need to quietly whisper mafia hit man stuff to each other.

...but they're probably looking at your penis because they could have said that from the urinal on the far side.

I guarantee you this is actual logic in play that NO ONE REALLY FUCKING TALKS ABOUT but if you stand to piss at a urinal I guarantee you're also reading this and nodding your head right now.

Play this song in a side-window while reading this. It'll make it better. I promise.

You know what would be neat? A really thickly gothic/blackmetal type fantasy game.

I'm talking stuff closer to Conan where there are rivers of blood and the "Icy Witch of the Woods" or haunted swamps where whole legions of ancient armies lie buried deep within the mud only to devour foolish travelers who would enter. I'm talking black spires and ziggurats of cults led by emaciated lich-like men and women covered in serpents and cockroaches, or nomadic bands of chaos-driven flagellants with bloody fingertips and black shrouds over their faces.

(fuckyouauspiceIknowbutIneedthisgiftosellthisidea)

I'm talking about powerful tribes of barbarians fighting back the darkness and knights in cracked and blood-soaked chainmail standing on the walls of blackened castles staring out into the lightning-lit night sky, past the rain, to creatures moving out in the trees.

I'm not talking chainmail bikinis and Lords and Ladies. I'm talking...

and

Fighting motherfuckin...

...I think this would be thoroughly badass, and would welcome evil, blood, mortality, grit, and grime over coffee rp.

ETA: And no happy endings. There is no happy ending. Their is no hope beyond survival, glory, hard liquor, and a solid boning once in a while after washing caked up mud, blood, and black mold off of your chiseled badass body because the sun rises once every 45 days and when you live in a Hell of eternal night...that's what's best in life. And then on that one night you dare to put on a nice shirt or dress and try to get a dance with someone you like, the fucking Duke explodes in a shower of bloody rags and starts murdering people in the mead hall because he was consorting with a harem of 24 fel-corrupted death witches who used him as a vessel for the return of a 12,000 year old pestilence demon.

Because \m/ Dio horns to the sky and poured mead for the glorious dead. Metal, baby. Metal.

ETA2: And stuff like a +code to let staff know when you're having something remotely near normal romantic-type roleplay so that they can scramble the eggs of your sweet, romantic interlude with a sudden assault by sentient fungus that bleeds from its eye sockets and whatever that is that is probably a mouth. Why? Because in this world fighting frenzied axe-brawling for your life back-to-back with the person you love only to end up in a dirty washtub together is romance. Raar.

Okay. Bedtime.

I'm fine with underage characters being depicted as they are in Stranger Things.

By that I mean a bunch of nonsexualized tweens worrying about their first kiss and tween stuff rather than being used as sock puppets for underage TS fantasies.

Perhaps I had a moment of Zen tonight, but I realized that the end of my MU hobby is drawing to a close. Looking back, I realized that there were points of drama or issues that came and went, or were left unresolved, and I never felt truly right about how they were resolved...if they were resolved at all. I have a gut feeling that I'm not alone in this, and that there are good people out there who lost their way, shit went sideways, and in looking back there were moments where communication broke down or friendships got blurry. The end result was something happened...and it sucked. It sucked and you might remember it in the corner of your brain in one of those 'if I could go back I would have done things differently' ways.

So I thought a thread where, should someone want to reach out and make amends or tell stories about how they wish things had gone differently, you never know who it might mean something to.

Better world means being better than you were ten seconds ago and coming to terms with it, right?

I'll go first:

@Seraphim73 and @GirlCalledBlu . I was too harsh and I was rude. I apologize for being a troll and the venom I threw your way was unnecessary. At the end of the day, some shit truly doesn't matter, and I apologize if I made it harder to find something that made you feel happy, entertained, and creative in a world that already makes it hard enough to feel free.

To the people who may have felt put out by my decision to leave the hobby (up to and including this time, which I think is my 5th and last): I apologize if my decision to walk away left you hanging, or storylines unfinished. I wanted to make a clean cut rather than disappear and leave you wondering where I went to. All too often people disappear because explaining why you're leaving can be awkward, and I wanted to make sure that I didn't do that to you. I felt it was better to announce my leaving than leave you hanging and not knowing where you stood.

Cheers. I didn't want to walk away without making a few things right. People deserve closure and to know they're not the assholes we made them out to be when we were heated.

Of course there is competition.

Every MUer has seen a MU where players trickle away to other games in the same genre or staff on one game finds event participation to be low because the new game in the same genre is causing players to be "too busy" to play. It doesnt necessarily mean a player will abandon a game for the new game where the grass always seems greener, but it does mean that one game will suffer a sag in participation.

I think it's very polite to say that it isnt competition, but each game wants to be a player's MAIN game and the only way to secure that is to compete with other games.

@ThoughtBubble I can really only advise as a former player who, maybe a little over a year ago, decided to delete the apps, website bookmarks, etc and move on with other night hobbies.

For me, it got to the point where the games were synonymous with the OOC politics. I tried going in-cognito but I'd get grilled in pages about who I am, or how my PB was a PB of someone who hurt a 3rd party friend and ruined it for them, or unrequested personal details about how the person I'm roleplaying with was a leg-pissing slut. Then, i tried going in-cognito and playing undeclared female PCs, but that resulted in page harassment. It got to the point where no matter my better efforts the OOC politics, the circlejerk of staff friendship benefits, and the extreme pushiness involved in the murky half-truths of character romances just became constant and uncomfortable.

I think the general MU culture has become a cult in the sense that it can be very bizarre to outsiders, and the moment you start to grasp for more mature, rational behavior the discomfort becomes all the more apparent. There is a way things are done and the cycles have repeated for decades with few changes. There are many people who arent half as honest as they claim to be, and villain figures who arent half as evil as some problem people (who may or may not be considered problem people, yet they are) make them out to be.

My advice is that if you feel that there's no way to escape whatever you find negative about the hobby...then dont dedicate another decade to trying to find a place where it works. Some people have good successes with clinging to very specific bubbles of trusted players (while weathering the bizarre/corrupt/dishonest behaviors), but even then I hear a lot about how it's an obstacle course to enjoy the game as a whole while navigating these types.

For me, I ultimately decided that what I originally wanted was a large group of people working together to have fun, but I realized that I couldn't remember the last time I felt an environment so welcoming/rewarding without little political/social camps and hierarchies.

I've talked with people who also agree that social life outside of MU can be stunted from the drama of MU. I've focused these days on PS4, board game nights, mmorpgs, tabletop rpgs, and disc golf. It's been fun and rewarding for me, and I dont feel so much like I'm having to swim upstream against a bunch of challenging personalities to simply enjoy my evenings.

So all I can tell you aside from this is that I cut the cord and my general evenings are way less frustrating and self-esteem compromising than they used to be.

@lordbelh said in Tips on Güd TS:

I'm the kind of RPer who really doesn't talk to people all that much OOC about what I want from my scenes, or my relationships, or the direction I'm looking to take my character in. My general philosophy is what happens, happens, and part of the fun is the mystery of it.

Amen on this.

Aside from generally figuring out comfort levels, I don't really like to talk about it either. Just like someone putting YOU instead of <charname> in poses, the concept of bartering into another player's ooc fetishes or wants just seems too strangely personal to me. It makes me feel like the eye has been taken off of the ball; that it isn't about roleplaying the character, but about the players, and in that some romantic scene ultimately becomes some kind of RL cybersex situation. I'm that guy that doesn't want to be some online proxy boyfriend to another player, so the more it is about the characters, the less it is about some vaguely personal ooc connection, which never ever ever ends well.

@silentsophia said in Tips on Güd TS:

Honestly, the big thing that pisses me off about someone seeking TS is if they ignore 'potential competition'.

This kind of baffles me when it happens. I try to roleplay through everything. If some male character wants to try to muscle in on my character's girl? I say go right ahead. Roleplay through it. I've had characters cheat on my character with zero OOC drama on my end. But! I've been the male character in a scene getting ICly flirted with by more than one girl at a time and have watched the two female characters outright ignore each other, and I have to admit, that is definitely one of my red flags for both players when that happens. It tells me that there is a chance that both players aren't separating IC from OOC emotion and that I need to pay close attention.

Yeah, for all my "these are the weird IC/OOC blend things in the hobby", I'm not above admitting I've done some wish fulfillment, too. I don't think there's anything wrong with it per se.

HOW AND EVER. Here comes my caveat.

I think there are different grades of wish fulfillment, and the deeper the emotional tie to the wish fulfillment is, the more responsibility I think the "player with the wish fulfillment" has to keep themselves in check.

Example:

• IRL I'm overweight and wanna play a totally fit character
• IRL I'm brunette and wanna play redhead.
• IRL my marriage is a fucking mess and I hate my life and want to RP something better than my real life.

Obviously, once you get into #3 territory all I recommend is the player of said wish thinks long and hard about their level of emotional attachment and how it could be a stressful experience for the other player (unwitting grantee of said wish fulfillment) if a level of control and reasonable guidelines aren't kept in check.

Having been an unwitting fulfillee to something very emotionally unchecked by another player, I can say it often doesn't end well and I felt like 50% shit about it. 50% because I can't hold myself responsible for things I didn't know were going on in someone's RL, but the other 50% of me was the empathetic human that felt for the person...even while they were losing their shit on me.

I advise against limiting a Star Wars game to one sector of space.

One faction? Yes. This is a great idea. Keep the players together. One sector of space? The whole point of Star Wars is that there is a rich galaxy-spanning environment to explore and interact with.

Players will want to see Tatooine, Maz's castle at Takodana, the watery paradise of Dac, the worldwide casinos of Canto Bight, and the jungles of Kashyyyk.

You can't make a game about spaceships with hyperdrives and galactic warfare and then tell players that they can't visit the planets from the movies because they're limited to 3 planets that they may or may not care about.

Secondly? War. I advise against making a peacetime Star Wars game. Every era of Star Wars (with Wars in the title) focuses on the heroes and villains of an epic war.

Stars+War=Star Wars

Take them to the stars and give them war. Make it big, explosive, and take the fight from one corner of the galaxy to the next.

@Ghost said in RL Anger:

My friend has gotten into investigating for MUFON and he's trying to tap my SO and I as "ghost hunters" with him.

Fuck. My. Life.

Well. It happened.

Last night was <whatever best word means the polar opposite of awesome>.

My SO and I were invited to a dinner with a group of these UFO investigators (including my friend). They wanted to BBQ some food and talk about maybe doing some ghost hunting. They said it was about ghost hunting.

So we thought: "*Fuck it. It'll be a nice BBQ, meet some people, and if it means we head out to some "haunted" (AIRQUOTES) B&B with some people will undoubtedly find ghosts everywhere they look, we still get a nice B&B trip in."

So...we get there to find our friend (who connected us to these people) has cancelled. NOT A BIG DEAL, we'd met some of them before and they were nice. We proceed to dinner, talk about where we are from. You know: Typical dinner party stuff. Until one of them says:

"Perhaps we should go around the table and talk about which skill everyone is adding to the group..."

"...and then later we are going to talk to our remote viewing expert and how we are going to make contact."

make contact.
MAKE CONTACT.

I shit you not. I'm not sure what or where the communication on the dinner party idea changed or went wrong, or if this was karma for that hoodwinked gif, but I then found myself within the lair of a group of believers who thoroughly intended for a group meditation SLASH telepathic communication with aliens BEFORE dessert.

So my SO mentions that we love meditation and subtly tries to suggest maybe that's a bit too much. By subtly I mean she said "Oh!" and...didnt expound.

So while theyre talking about the bond we are going to create, I say: "Hey, guys, I don't think I'm the person you're looking for. I could only negatively impact whatever thing you're trying to build."

PERSON: "Oh trust us. Let's get things started because a remote viewer is waiting for us from another location."

MY S.O., A FEW GLASSES OF WINE IN: Gives Ghost the 'whatever, let's see where this rabbit hole goes' look and trots off to the living room.

Sidebar: Most of these people are older than us and kinda tie their self esteem into this stuff. We didn't feel a shred of not being safe. It was more 'these people draw self esteem from this and don't want to be an asshole to our friend's friends'.

Anyway, this is getting long so I'll wrap it up.

GUESS WHAT, GUYS?! TURNS OUT THERE IS A COLLECTIVE OF PSYCHIC EXTRA TERRESTRIALS OUT THERE WHO HAVE CHOSEN ME (AND ONLY THIS GROUP) AS PART OF A SUPER IMPORTANT DIPLOMATIC KNOWLEDGE SHARE BETWEEN US AND THEIR CULTURE. ME! I'M SPECIAL! I've been chosen for some pretty clutch shit.

Or so say the "remote viewer expert" and the "psychic expert".

Who was surprised to read that we successfully communicated with aliens??? Me? Not one bit. That shit was pre-ordained. They may as well have sent out invitations that read: Let's have a dinner party where I guide you through successfully getting in on this PrP that I'll be railroading.

As we drove home, my SO was in full blown "OMG I'm so sorry i didn't mean to miss your cue, and we gotta have a talk with our friend" mode. She's 100% out. Both her and I have experience with cult behavior (really extreme pagan groups; she was raised Pentecostal), and our friend is a pretty normal guy who probably still thinks this just "ghost hunting", so we need to rush to talk to him.

And then she says: "You don't have to go, but if he decides to go I wanna go to keep an eye on him."

BITCH, THIS IS HOW PEOPLE END UP SISTER WIVES WTF NOW IF YOU GO I GOTTA GO TO KEEP YOU FROM COMING BACK HOME AND SUDDENLY BEING LIKE: "Baby, I'm a star princess, now, 45th wife to the space emperor who wants to consummate our super important diplomatic union through KEVIN (not a real name in this situation), who is his chosen vessel."

Sigh.

Never woulda happened if her and I stayed in to mush. Fucking irony that.

Edit/OneMoreThing: Dessert after psychically establishing first contact with people y'all are simply not special enough to be picked to have contact with(But I am! You jealous fuckers. Haha. #winningAndLosingAtSameTime)...was some decent cake.

This hobby is notorious for having opinionated people spread opinions without actually addressing it with the person they have the opinion with. Little gaggles of people talk amongst themselves and/or anyone who will listen in private discord chats that they hope aren't logged or forwarded to the person that's being talked about.

Ask the person if they can schedule a scene with you. If they are unwilling to or ditch said plans regularly to RP with others, chances are your character isn't where they're wanting to focus their energies or there's something else going on. Use the three strikes rule.

You're not entirely off. There are a lot of people in the hobby who harbor long-term opinions on players, but if you can't jar an actual scene out of someone, then you don't really need to pry it out of them; people role play with people they want to RP with. Period.

All you can really do is be nice to people and check your own behavior to ensure that you're not behaving in a way that you wouldn't want others to treat you. Understand that there are people who simply aren't upfront about not wanting to RP, any existing opinions, or are perhaps zeroed in on some other existing arc of RP that they don't want to overbook themselves.

@Lisse24 L O L.

You should become a pop-up then when they're talking.

Them: So on Wednesday we have a meeting with-

You: -HEY let's get some pizza.

Them: Uh. Hang on a second let me finish this. So this Wednesday when we're meeting w-

You: -Would you like to save money on auto insurance???

@wahoo Agreed. I'm not into the whole "if they can afford a cell phone, they can't have food stamps" type rhetoric. People are people and no one understands a total stranger's life situation enough to be able to make that call. Plenty of people wearing suits are looking for jobs and ending the night at homeless shelters.

VenMo, Cash App, PayPal, Patreon are all safer because the SERVICE encrypts the transaction and the receiver of the money doesn't have access to your card, the magstripe data, nor do they have any right to confidential information on the app's servers. There's lesser risks of fraud or skimming using those services as a means to donate to anyone.

But as someone in the card industry? Cards are like sexual organs: best to not stick them in strange devices of people you don't know or can't track down later if needed. If an ATM card slot looks weird? Don't do it. If a panhandler asks for VenMo? It's relatively safe but they may be able to bug you later or Facebook you if your VenMo account has details they can follow up on, but doesn't involve card swipes.

Sorry to derail about card industry stuff, but 99% of the time it's lawyer stuff and I got to go Ooo! Ooo! I get to be a subject matter expert!