Posts made by Miss Demeanor

@Ghost I think @lordbelh's point was more along the lines of... if every time someone said 'this person should not make anymore games!', that person stopped making games? There would quickly be no more games. Everyone has their feeling on who is or isn't a good game runner, but that shouldn't stop people from making games. I applaud @GirlCalledBlu and @Seraphim73 for their invite-only sandbox game. Its a good way for them to get the small group RP that I think they're looking for. They've even acknowledged there's parts where they failed and at the least, @GirlCalledBlu is making an effort to understand how her perceptions of what's okay differs from how others view it. That's good on them. Maybe someday they'll open up a public game where they can try running things in a new way that departs from the style that was turning people off from The 100/Fifth World/whatever else. I rather hope they do, since it would show that we as a community can learn from our mistakes and move past them.

@Seraphim73 Adding more information after the fact, after you've made one claim and are now making a separate claim? Yes, that's backpedaling.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backpedaling

"To reverse to an earlier part of an argument and alter and reuse it later on in the argument."

"I asked her about this first thing because someone said she would give good feedback!"
'You should think about how you word things.'
"But I only asked her about this other thing because I already had an answer to the first thing!"

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah... backpedaling.

@Seraphim73 I think you're the one that needs to read what your wife wrote.

"Because I feel my perception of the whole Gideon/Grounders thing should be noted. Running the idea of two PCs being the Grounders captured and introduced to the 100 was suggested to me by a friend of mine that I have Staffed with in the past. They suggested that I ask a variety of players about how to introduce Grounders, because of the very reasons people bring up about the "echo chamber." And frankly, I asked @Miss-Demeanor because I had asked a couple other players, they gave me some feedback, and one of those players suggested I ask her because they believed she would provide me with some good feedback. She was presented as a person who would be a good one to ask, so I asked."

Verbatim from her post, emphasis bolded. She said she was talking to her friend about how to introduce GROUNDER PC'S to the game. That friend suggested she ask a variety of players. She frankly, asked ME about it because she had asked a couple other players and one of her friends had suggested she ask ME because that person believed I would provide good feedback. So yes, she VERY CLEARLY stated that she was asking me about how to introduce Grounder PC's to the game.

Sucks when the information is available to everyone and you can't twist it to your advantage. Instead of cherry-picking responses from posts that aren't even part of the response that I was responding to, you might want to try looking at the post that I was responding to. She said one thing, got a response from someone else, and backpedaled to add in that she was asking me about something else totally not the first thing that she clearly posted saying she was asking me about.

@GirlCalledBlu But you didn't ask me how to introduce the Grounders. That never once came up. You paged me, on your staff bit, to ask me specifically what I thought about you playing a Lincoln-type Grounder character. Example time!

Ex 1: "Miss Demeanor, how should I introduce Grounders?"
Ex 2: "Hey Miss Demeanor, how do you think we should introduce Grounders?"

What happened...

"Hey Miss Demeanor, so I just wanted to ask you... what do you think of me playing a Grounder like Lincoln? Do you think anyone will mind?"

Two wholly different questions there, and how to introduce the Grounders was never part of the question you asked me.

@Seraphim73 Yes. Because everyone has every single scene logged and posted to the wiki. I don't feel the need to trumpet my every interaction for one and all to see. But thank you for your assumption that just because I wasn't posting logs that it meant I had left the game! And no, I had @GirlCalledBlu approach me about a player matter from her staff bit. Speaking from a staff bit carries with it an inherent authority that I am not eager to test the boundaries of.

@Seraphim73 Perception may well be the biggest problem that happened on The 100. Because while you're saying that yes this happened but you fixed it... you're neglecting to mention that it happened for months and only got fixed after people had left the game and this thread had started getting snippy about how you two were handling the game. Having individual people approach you and voice concerns did nothing. You and @GirlCalledBlu were so wrapped up in your characters and your fun (perceived), that actually staffing the game fell into last place on the 'to do' list. People that you were warned about being troublesome weren't 'watched' as you claimed. They were neglected until they became such a huge problem that you had to do something. This wasn't a case of 'it came up and was handled within a week or so'. It was a case of 'it came up and was willfully ignored for months before it became such a huge problem that it drove a lot of people from the game before it was addressed'. By the time it got to the Grounders being open for play, I already had a foot out the door because of unresolved worries and concerns that you and @GirlCalledBlu claimed to be 'watching' and mostly just seemed to handwave off in favor of playing your PC's. And yeah, maybe Grey got toned down later, but it was MUCH later as it was still being talked about after I'd left the game.

The problem I see here is that you and your wife, while lovely people, are more invested in your own fun than you are in actually running the game. Which, as mentioned previously, is fine with a sandbox where everyone involved has largely agreed to what you want to do anyways. But on a public game that's open to everyone and anyone, that means that you quickly become the 'absentee landlord' in your own game. The impression that I personally got anytime I spoke to you or @GirlCalledBlu was that of trying to speak to someone playing a video game. Which is to say that you were distracted, uninterested, and just wanted me to go away so said whatever you had to to make that happen so you could get back to your fun. On the few occasions where either of you would poll players about something, the questions were pretty clearly worded to direct people towards a desired answer. As in, you had the answer that you wanted, and the question was worded to point people directly at the answer you desired. And no, polling a handful of players regarding what standards and practices staff should adhere to? Not at all what people are asking for here. They're saying you need someone else that's on the same level as you and your wife (ie. another staffer) that can be the balancing force for you.

Going to a player as staff on your staffbit and asking if they personally would have a problem with you doing something as a player that could well affect the game at large? Generally not the best way to get a real answer. All that shows me is that you have no sense of separation between staff and player. And yes, that is CRITICAL if you're going to play on a game you staff. If you cannot separate what happens to your characters as a player, and your authority as staff? That is a HUGE problem. You cannot blur those lines. Ever. That @GirlCalledBlu acknowledges having difficulty separating the two while being one of the only two staffers (the other of whom is her husband) on a game is truly worrisome. That neither of you see that as a problem is seriously worrisome.

I really do wish you both the best and I hope your sandbox 5W game is successful for you both. But I personally will never play on a game where the two of you staff until I have concrete evidence that the problems I saw on The 100, and here, are no longer an issue. Maybe its just perception, but what I perceived was utter ignoring of basic staff etiquette.

How can you even express derision or disapproval with a whistle? Is someone carrying around a slide whistle and doing the 'sad trombone' thing to people?

@GirlCalledBlu said in The 100: The Mush:

@Ominous said in The 100: The Mush:

To be actually constructive for once, I am growing into the opinion that if staff want to have PCs that aren't on the bottom of thr totem pole, the game needs multiple spheres and if someone has a character in a sphere, they cannot staff it.

Definitely.

I just have no need to have my characters high on the totem pole.

Granted, I have had characters in places of power/leadership, but never on a game or in a sphere where I was a Staffer -- which sometimes has its own problems, where you are the lead Staff of one Sphere, but have a high power character in another, and then people are wondering if you're making Staff decisions about your sphere because it benefits your PC elsewhere. It is kind of a hard road to travel.

I have to stop you here and say something. On The 100, you were so eager to get Grounder characters available. And then when they were, you specifically asked me if I thought it would be a bad thing for you to have the 'Lincoln' type of Grounder. (ie. the special snowflake, different from the rest of the Grounders, got put into a spotlight position often kind of character. For anyone that didn't want The 100..) The simple fact that you felt the need to ask a third party about it shows that you understood that you would be putting yourself into a spotlight position and setting yourself up as a major character. So its rather disingenuous of you to say that you never have characters in positions of power/leadership. Doubly so since your husband put his first character into a position where he was very loud and opinionated and strong enough that few people really wanted to challenge him outright, which put him into a leadership position even if he's protesting that he doesn't want to be. Also.. that you and a handful of your friends had started playing the game weeks before it was open to everyone, and thus were guaranteed to have more xp/higher stats that nobody else was privy to? Kinda shitty. You set yourselves up as players to have every advantage, to be at the front of every new thing, every major decision... and then claim that you don't do that.

I'm not saying you're a terrible person, you aren't. But you are definitely lying to yourself and others about what you do in a game.

For All Those Always Offended Assholes Out There!

@surreality said in RL Anger:

@Thenomain said in RL Anger:

he looked like one of those unfortunate men who tho is now a college Senior or recent graduate, never grew out of his Sophomore year and never will.

^ This would be a truly excellent description for a character on a MUX. Just sayin'.

Obviously not a badass, but probably one hell of an entertaining NPC if nothing else!

Sooooooo... Pete the Intern ala TR's Mage sphere? XD

@Thenomain I have to ask. Was s/he asking if you even lift?

Love me some SimpleMU. It does all the things I need it to, when I need it to, and doesn't require me to coax or otherwise tell it its pretty to work properly for me.

Looooooooooooooove The Librarians! But then, I loved the original movies the show spun off of, too.

HEEEEEEEEY! Oompa Loompa finally made it in!

Chai is hard to get right in the home without, like, an instructor to show you exactly how. XD Every time I've tried, I either end up with a weak/bad brew, or there's too much/too little milk... its an art form.

My current fave company is Positively Tea, LLC. From them I have a wonderful loose mint tea and an equally wonderful loose leaf jasmine tea. OH! And I've had a butterscotch black tea from them prior. All 100% organic and SUPER tasty. ^_^

I'm well aware it wasn't a sphere'd game. Which is why my original post said 'or not have their PC's in such prominent/leadership roles'.

@BobGoblin I'm not suggesting staff not play at all. But most people are capable of enjoying more than just one sphere. And yes, while you are more likely to staff in the sphere you like most? That's also the highest temptation to start abusing your position for your own gain if you get to play a PC in that sphere. And in this case, since more people than just the good staffers are put on the hook for what the other staffers are doing? I feel its more prudent to 'punish' the good with the bad than to just keep letting it happen and making the players suffer.

@Apos I would agree. As much as I hate to say it because it sounds terrible... more and more I'm coming back to the idea that staff really shouldn't play in the sphere they staff for. Or in the case of The 100, they shouldn't have placed so much emphasis on their own PC's.

Over and over again, these days I keep running into staff that are now more involved and interested in what their own PC's are doing over what they're supposed to be doing as staff. Plots, jobs, even answers to time sensitive questions will get put on hold while they give themselves a new shiny for their PC.

I won't say it's all staffers, because it isn't. But it's enough of them that it's getting almost... expected wherever I go now, that staff will be more interested in their own story than helping to further anyone else's. There's relatively little point to playing a character in a sphere (especially a supernatural/post-apoc/whatever type of sphere that is outside the usual) if all you're ever going to get is 'slice of life' RP.

And yes, before anyone says it, yes, there ARE prp's... which can only go so far without staff approval. If staff is neglecting jobs for their own fun, however, that means that approval isn't happening anytime soon. And that means more 'slice of life' RP while you wait.

Oh sure! Prior to Orange Tabby and Calico Girl we had Half-Siamese. Half-Siamese HATED anything that was not a human. Humans she absolutely loved and would sit on your lap for pettings and purrs for hours on end. But despite being an older declawed cat, she would beat the holy hell out of any animal that came within swiping distance. Within sight range she would growl and fluff up and wait to see if they dared come closer.