Posts made by Roz

@RDC said in General Video Game Thread:

Longer games = better games is a cancer on the games industry.

Yeah, Untitled Goose Game is about four hours of content and easily worth $1000 in entertainment value. Don't @ me.

The long and short of it is that some people want a fair amount of OOC negotiation and some people want none. Some of the former group will try to be excessive and use it as a method to avoid any conflict or loss, and some of the latter group will try to run roughshod. Bad behavior exists in both styles.

I think that specific game cultures tend to have one or the other be a bit more popular. I just suggest people look for games that feel comfortable to them.

@silverfox Throw the bag of trash at his face.

It can be both an IC romance scene and two human beings on opposite sides of an internet connection getting each other horny.

The real question is: What does it matter?

Some people get horny when they TS. Some people don't. These are both things that happen. Sex is a pretty common human experience and therefore can have plenty of relevance in character-driven narratives. It is also a thing that some people just find sexy to read and/or write about. All of these things can be true. AT THE SAME TIME. They're not mutually exclusive.

I do log all my TS like a dirty, dirty person -- because I log all my scenes. I admit I've never thought to ask permission to log.

I would never randomly share it with a third party without permission. I have and do play on some games where posting TS with a content warning is pretty normal, and on those games I do post (presuming the other player is okay with it).

I mean, look, TS is a funny little thing. Engagement in TS can range anywhere from "just writing more RP words like it's any other type of scene" and "definitely getting OOC sexual gratification." And, like, I think both ends of this are fine? People get off to way weirder stuff. I just say don't talk about getting off to your scene partner in the same way, you know, you shouldn't broach that generally in life unless you already definitely know the topic is welcome.

@RDC My friend really enjoyed it! That’s what I know.

@surreality said in How to put an end to whisper game attacks?:

I do remember what you're talking about, too, Roz -- and it's good to know where it was coming from, even if it's much later. That was kind of you.

I don't want too much credit for kindness, really. It was just as much annoyance and exasperation. I just don't want to get credit of purity I don't deserve, lol.

Anyways I wish I could upvote @Herja's post ten times.

People sometimes change, but it's rare for really malicious or toxic behavior, I think. But if people really are going to change? Or are going to say they are? I say: let them do it from a distance. If they really do change, it'll eventually become clear. You don't need to be the one to support for people who have been really shitty to you. It's normal to occasionally have some scuffles or disagreements with friends, but then there's a whole other level.

There are people on this board that I just don't like, and there are people who I think are honestly toxic or malicious. When that's the case, I might respond to them if they're involved in a thread I want to engage in, but I don't -- get cozy? Surr, you probably remember me kind of saying once that it looked like you were getting really cozy with someone I knew you'd had a falling out with before. You weren't happy with me and felt I was kind of saying it to just -- I'd have to go back and find the exact stuff, but I think you thought I was doing it just to stir up drama or toxicity. The truth is that part of me was like, "Oh no. That is not going to end well." I didn't have faith that the person was changing, and it seemed likely that bad stuff and hurt was going to be the final result of someone getting comfortable with them again. I wasn't saying it to be mean. I probably could have expressed it better at the time, but then it also didn't feel like my place to extrapolate further than I did. I recall you saying that you felt it was the adult thing to interact with someone in that situation in a civil manner, which certainly isn't an overall sentiment I disagree with! I guess I just approach it differently. But I'll also be honest: I haven't been in the position where the person I don't trust in that particular way used to be my friend. It's a lot easier for me to say this. And I also think it's perfectly mature and adult to not engage in a friendly, cozy way. You don't need to prove how chill you can be with someone who's been shitty with you. Distance is just as mature.

People sometimes change big stuff, but not often. It can feel noble and generous to give people second and third chances, but you can acknowledge the rare potential for someone to change without being the one they test out the change on.

As to your question? No, even when you were in the position to tell me that you had believed a rumor about me from a certain person and hadn't challenged it, you spoke of your own behavior and not anything regarding that person's personal life.

Let's be real: it's clear we drive each other a bit crazy on this board not irregularly. We argue regularly. Sometimes I throw up my hands. I don't want to be buddies. BUT! I also don't think you're a person who would share private information about someone else. Or tell purposeful, malicious lies about other people. It's just not my impression of you, even when we have yelled and tableflipped at each other.

The people who have already said there's nothing you can really do about people talking shit about you other than block, ignore, and keep living your best life. I think Sao already put it best.

I will say that I think utilizing the Block feature on the board (instead of Ignore) will help to remove even the INDICATION that someone has spoken. Which may be of help!

I have also not had anyone attempt to pass on details of anyone's sex life. FWIW. Would tell them to GTFO if they did.

@Darren See, that reads to me more like people were the most desperate for essentials they absolutely needed that they'd end up stealing if they didn't have another way.

@RDC

I got the job. And they gave me more money than I asked for.

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@Ghost I think you missed what he's saying. The point (as I saw it) was that if you want to keep everything purely IC, you have to integrate it into RP. That is: when people cheat, there are usually some sort of signals or evidence left in its wake. If you are engaging in a playstyle where everything is IC and no OOC discussion happens, you have to basically play fair with it by giving IC indicators of stuff the other character would reasonably be witness to. As opposed to playing unfair with it, which would be to give absolutely no indications -- or even play in such a way as to aggressively project the opposite, even if it's not actually at all feasible. If your PC is hooking up with lots of people on the side but you are RPing with their SO as if all that time is actually being spent with them, you are basically being purposefully misleading on an OOC level. Hence the comparison with a DM not giving their players information about a thing that was visible right in front of their characters.

@mietze Yes, this. As a younger RPer, I would sometimes have issues with bleed, occasionally bad ones. I was surely imperfect in managing this, although in my head I always knew that it was my responsibility to manage. I definitely never made demands, but I know that sometimes I might have let my sadness over a certain development show in a way that I still wouldn't find to be at all cool. But people having feelings about RP things? TOTALLY NORMAL AND FINE. We are engaging in a strange and curious hobby that is full of emotive things. Being emotionally invested in a story is pretty normal. It's about the level of your reactions and, most importantly, how to handle and express them.

My experience with romance and TS has, by and large, been fairly free of creepers or manipulators. I think I might project a certain amount of online RBF that might discourage people, as I just don't have any patience or tolerance for certain tactics. I am happy to talk about stuff OOC to an extent, but it takes a while of proven sanity before I'd give out my Discord.

I had the experience a year or two ago of my PC starting to get involved with a character played by someone I didn't know at all. We had some OOC contact via pages, but not extensive by any means: we'd ping each other to ask for RP, occasional minor chatting, etc. We talked little about the actual IC relationship developing between our characters apart from occasional brief reactions to scenes. One of the things I took as a green flag is that the other player never mentioned anyone else his character was seeing (while it was known that they were seeing other people, just as my character was) and, most importantly, never asked or tried to hint in a way to get information about what my character was doing outside of our scenes. We talked more OOC in general as time went on and we just became friendlier, because we got on well, but I think we both still retain a certain care in how we discuss -- or don't discuss -- what our characters are up to. We do share more nowadays, because the characters are practically married and sometimes we just drop minor updates on each other when we don't have the time or whim to RP everything.

I have had the experience of someone making borderline OOC comments or slightly over-the-line questions about my PC and, after some eye-narrowing (and, actually, a surprising hesitation that I was SO SURE would NEVER HAPPEN TO ME because I am MS BOUNDARIES) I was just like "Okay no more of that if you want to RP with me." He responded by pretty much shutting up and never contacting me again -- except when he hit up my PC on a different alt a couple weeks later. (Yeah, don't worry, all reported to staff.) In my view, this was a pretty mild occurrence. I can be slow to pick up on regular OOC chatter with new people, so I think that, for people who are more deliberate in behaving in a crummy way, I'm probably not identified as a good target. I am not FRIENDLY AND WELCOMING ENOUGH.

In any case, I guess there are actual questions here!

@Arkandel said in The ethics of IC romance, TS, etc:

Which parts of being in IC relationships, be they romantic and/or sexual or even otherwise, bind the players as well as the characters? For example...

• If your PC is going to cheat IC on another character do you feel obligated to let your partner's player know?

I've actually never quite been in this situation, although I have been close at times. I have a PC who is pretty capable of it, and it did come up in the course of idle chatter that she'd probably be capable of it, and it did end up fairly clear that there weren't OOC issues with that if it didn't happen. So I wasn't purposefully vetting the idea, but I guess I did get the info for if the story did go that way.

• Do you think you are responsible for a character whose roleplay is related to yours if your paths are to separate? In other words do you feel guilty someone else's PC might become quote/unquote unplayable because of your IC choices?

It depends! I could certainly feel bad in certain situations. There is definitely a way to RP in which you are just reckless with anyone else's enjoyment and only really focused on your own, and I think that's not great. I can be thoughtless as much as anyone else, and if I really did just kind of totally cause a mess for someone because I wasn't really being thoughtful about my RP and the story, I'd feel bad. There have certainly been instances of this in my time. But that doesn't mean that any time someone says that PC A's choices ruined their character, that Player A actually did something wrong. There are a lot of levels here.

• Very closely related to the above, what if the choice that takes a PC mostly off the table is OOC? For instance if you stop being active on my PC's spouse to play an alt with Theno's PC. Do I have the moral high ground to get pissed off?

If the player is communicative about what's going on, it can suck (in terms of losing out on fun RP) but it's fine. If someone is just kind of -- ghosting a person, that's pretty lame, and I'd be annoyed. But that's the sort of situation where there's not much to really do aside from voicing, "Hey, if you want to close up this RP thread please just tell me, ghosting on it doesn't feel great."

• When it comes to TS what's the correct way to suggest it? Do you let the RP become more explicit until the big words come out or you get told no? Do you page the other player first and explicitly ask if they want to do it? Something else?

Honestly I tend to just try and read the room. I'll play the dance of both parties kind of nudging up to the line and then -- well, generally it's pretty clear when people are on the same page, IMO. Sometimes one party will do a check-in about HOW EXPLICIT IS OKAY, but not always, or even the majority of the time. Honestly I haven't had any issues with this approach. I try to just mirror how explicit my partner is posing.

(I call this the "Cock Line" where two parties who are down to TS slowly edge up to Saying The Explicit Words. Because I find it funny.)

• Assuming OOC consent between adult players is there anything in an IC relationship, including TS, that you consider unethical? No, I'm not going to give examples since I'm keeping this classy! But you can.

I tend to think that players can do what they like behind closed doors if they're in agreement OOC. I don't like people spilling it out to others where they have to deal with it. (Arx eventually banned incest themes altogether, not because of staff objecting to people getting their rocks off with the taboo, but because with some players it would inevitably come out in a way where their head of house would have to deal with it and honestly that's just not a cool thing to make people have to deal with. On the other hand, I'm sure there were and still are people RPing behind closed doors without anything spilling out, and I sure don't care about that, and I don't think staff cares.)

@mietze said in The ethics of IC romance, TS, etc:

I do find that saying outright that you will not be making monogamous promises IC, nor do you wish the other person to, and that you will not (and do not want from them) exclusivity in RP play/time spent will kind of make you a hell of a lot less interesting to the most problematic people.

Yeah, definitely this. When a player is problematic in the fashion that they want to exert control on others, being told that the other person doesn't care what they do with others is a TURN-OFF for them.

@Sunny I'm pretty sure you're legally owed a refund for the past, like -- year.

Atlantis 0.9.9.6 rc7 is up, for anyone not on the Discord! The in-app updater is working now tho, so instead of downloading you can also just select Atlantis -> Check For Updates from the menu.

There is also now a bug tracker!

@Aria said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Boss's Day.

I just got an email about it from one of my coworkers wanting pooling together money for our two managers.

Why? Why does this bullshit "holiday" exist?

It's bullshit. The Ask A Manager blog I know has had posts responding to the question of how to discourage this sort of thing from coworkers.

Sparks isn't checking on MSB anymore at this point, BUT she has started a Discord server for Atlantis help and development. So anyone who is interested or who has questions is free to join! https://discord.gg/pkq5D5e