Posts made by Selira

@Runescryer I say this with as little bitchiness as I can: I'm not sure much more needs to be said about conflict between us, and there's still room in this thread for info and discussion about this situation, so I'm cool just leaving it here.

@Runescryer I came in here to respond to a specific post and then you went off on me. I responded to that, but I stirred no shit on this board initially.

I'm not a big fan of "both sides are a little right and a little wrong" dialogue. If I see proof that I'm wrong, I try hard to change on a dime, though. I will say I'm comfortable in a fire, but I sure wasn't trying to light one here.

I'm also not taking sides, this one was never about the boards to me, it really, really, really wasn't. It's clear two parts of this conversation are happening across both, and that's fine by me.

I also don't expect to be believed, and I'm not sure I'd believe me. So, you know, whatever.

@Derp Wait, who am I not liking? Because I don't like three of the four people I've heard of associated with this, the only exception being Jean's player, who seems fine and has clarified the IC womanizing behavior was purely IC and at her request. I did think it was clumsy and gross, and I wouldn't have responded to it, but it also wasn't a scene I was in.

The receipts were bad.

@Derp I still feel the accusation relevant, I'm not taking it back, but I'm not engaging in the full debate yet again. You're just going to have to accept that. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.

Anyway:

As I've said, the receipts were bad.

@Derp I'm not doing this again, there already are multiple threads, you've said what you're going to say on the subject and I've said what I'm going to say. I think you're complicit, you think you've done no wrong, that's not changing.

@Derp Largely people came down on him after the log showed up showing how weird he was being as Tony and we saw that there was some serious IC/OOC conflict going on. At least, that was when my opinion turned from "huh, Runescryer's actually posting on BMD, neat, that's a good sign," to "oh god that's right this is why I dislike the guy." I can't speak for anyone else.

Also, you're really not one to talk about bans, anymore. Just saying.

@Runescryer I do prefer it when you drop your pretenses, yeah, because I don't think you're particularly good at keeping them up in the first place. I also did think that falsely accusing someone of being one particularly toxic predator was bad, which I've not changed on, while generally exposing someone's own creepiness is a good thing. I think that's been pretty consistent in my messaging. I'm glad to hear you'll be more thoughtful in how you title things in the future.

I don't know what pretenses you think I have past that. Yes, I identify more with the people on BMD than on here, but I post on both boards in similar ways and I sure haven't been lying about who my friends are, which you seem to constantly assume I'm like ... some agent of staff over there? I'm not.

@Runescryer you care so little you have to tell me how little you care, got it.

@Runescryer It's not my job to send a message on your behalf, sorry. I'm not friends with any of the admins on Discord or anything like that, either.

If something was under investigation, you shouldn't have said shit unless you were willing to put a name to it. This "tee hee I know something but I'm not telling" is really a nasty habit of yours.

My problems with you stemmed from repeating that kind of behavior and making a bad accusation without evidence, and when it became really clear it was something that developed out of a personal grudge you had, more than anything else.

ETA: And part of being willing to put a name to it is being ready to weather the inevitable storm that's going to come from naming anyone.

ETA2: Also, you realize no one flamed you because you were an MSB admin, right? They went on you because of explicitly what you were saying, why you were saying it, and how you were saying it.

@Tirit How, exactly, do you think accusations of someone's bad behavior should be handled, as a community, then? Literally every community has some version of this -- grievances are redressed, the cause and scope of the grievances reviewed, and bad actors punished. Usually, it's public for very good reason.

@Ganymede

It does look like Reynal fucked up. He filed an emergency motion to dismiss the evidence and is claiming this as grounds for a mistrial.

Thread from a Vice reporter on what's happening in court today: https://twitter.com/annamerlan/status/1555200634693230594

@reimesu said in What Would it Take to Repair the Community?:

@Selira @Mietze Well, if they'd made the choice to behave here, they wouldn't be there, now, would they? I mean, seriously, for a bunch of people committed to protecting mental health, the banned people didn't give much thought to who they were harming when they continued to throw their temper tantrums and then got banned for it.

So, they made another board where they could do what they want and be as mean as they wanted and STILL ended up with rules like here, but they're not enforced.

You can say what you want but your board is public and anyone can read for themselves. Just like the boards here are public.

However, again, feel free to respond, I'm pretty done with this idiotic argument.

You're right. All the posts are up there, on both boards, easy to read. We can all see you actively lying about what happened.

People were upset. People have a right to be upset. People are still upset.

It's also not my board. I'm a member of both. Still.

@reimesu said in What Would it Take to Repair the Community?:

The fact that a whole group went and formed another board just so they could continue being really mean to people

that's not why they made it.

many people were banned. people disagreed with the choice, with the administration, and people still wanted to be in a community with those banned people. so they made a new board where they could continue that community.

how much rewriting history are we going to do today?

@Devrex said in What Would it Take to Repair the Community?:

It didn't start happening till a few folks got bored and came over here to see if they couldn't provoke us into saying stuff they could yell about.

hey, can you stop putting words in my mouth and ascribing motivations to me? i've laid mine out clearly on both here and BMD. this isn't what happened.

@ghost So you don't intend to look at yourself critically. I know you don't care about anything but your own opinion of yourself, that's been made rather clear.

If this forum is to change, people like you need to really take a hard look at yourself. This weaseling isn't healthy for any community.

I'm out. Everything I've said holds.

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

One look at your post history and Reddit history pretty clearly demonstrates you struggle with this. How are you, @Ghost, pledging to walk the walk and resist your inner urge to dance in flames?

@lotherio which had never been listed as a bannable offense before, ever. The first few bans were even before time was asked for.

Again, you can spin this in your head however you want, but that's what happened. Administration that was widely seen as unjust led to protest, which led to bans, and the combination of the two led to people walking.

pretty strong rewriting of history

it was a protest against an admin, a ban widely seen as unjust, and an authoritarian stomp down on anyone who expressed disagreement with it or didn't stay quiet when they were asked to, despite that never having been a thing before, and despite that being specifically one of the things that the protest was about.

the logs are there, i know you weren't here, go read them.

@misterboring so what you're saying is, they're the clique who drove people away now?

@hobos Yeah, you have to be actively willing to work on your flaws and show that you are actively listening to the people from those communities who say you hurt them. That's the line.

@hobos said in Something Completely Different:

Someone who commits microaggressions against the Hispanic person in her office isn't a racist, but she does have some elements of racist behavior that she would be better off paying attention to. Someone who says that women shouldn't walk in dark alleys at night isn't a misogynist, but should probably pay attention to the fact that they're indulging in some really painful victim blaming.

This is 100% incorrect. If you engage in racist behavior, you're a racist. If you engage in misogynist behavior, you're a misogynist.

To a degree, we all are, but identifying how you are being such and working to address and mitigate these impulses is key to growing as a person.