Posts made by Thenomain

@faraday said in Adapting FATE for MU*s:

@Thenomain said in Adapting FATE for MU*s:

I think the takeaway here is that the more a game system is geared toward storytelling, the harder it will be to adapt to Mu*.

That seems like a particularly ironic statement for a hobby build around storytelling

Except that it's not a hobby built around storytelling. It's built upon minis-based war-games and Colossal Cave Adventure. We've brought storytelling to it because there were people interested in the medium but not the proto-MMO nature of Muds. I'd say that the modern day Mush came from the Socials of the early- to mid-90s.

Even high-tactical RPGs like D&D have pains converting to to the medium of Mu*, so...no, not ironic. I mean, it was worth a grin, but I'm going to kindly say: Yeah, no.

I would say it's more about subjectivity than storytelling, but they're definitely related. The more subjective a system is, the harder it's going to be to achieve consensus and balance among strangers.

Okay. We're talking about the same things in different terms.

Example: FS3 is also geared toward storytelling. It gets criticized because chargen is subject to the whims of the approval staff and can be min-maxed.

WoD has similar problems, at different points. And they are drops in the water compared to the collaboration issues inherent in more storytelling-heavy games like Fate, which is what the OP is asking about.

I think the takeaway here is that the more a game system is geared toward storytelling, the harder it will be to adapt to Mu*.

It's not like we haven't done things in Fate before, but less formally. "I have an occult contact." / "Okay, they are currently in their crystal shop on Earl and Somerset, near the Ralph's." / "Next to the dog park? Cool!" / "Do not approach the dog park."

In Fate, this is allowed, encouraged, and practically codified. I don't imagine it's not impossible to adjust this, but adjust it to what? What's your goal? Start there. At first blush, I'm thinking like a builder; what would you do if someone created Crystal's Crystals at the opposite corner of the dog park for their character?

Story Points, Tix, Bennies, these things exist on current games. Fate does have their own point economy you might think of using.

Just a thought.

@Aria

@Tempest said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):

@Ominous said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):

@Tempest Shouldn't GURPS be the 10?

I have no idea what GURPS is, I fear.

Imagine Savage Worlds without the restraint.

@Tyche

Thank you and @Surreality both. I will pass this along.

@Misadventure said in RL Anger:

@Thenomain

Nah, I blame TV.

Are we not talking about the same thing?

@Misadventure said in RL Anger:

People apparently feel that they should have an outraged opinion about everything, and lay in wait.

I blame Geraldo Rivera. Seriously, fuck the 80s for starting this shit.

@Kanye-Qwest said in RL Anger:

@Thenomain said in RL Anger:

@Auspice said in RL Anger:

Companies that interview you and then fill the position internally.

Assholes, I wore heels for that.

Did they tell you when they hired? So many companies I apply for don't even offer that.

Mind you, I only have to wear ties.

Ties & Jackets > Bras & Heels. I don't know how women handle it.

By not being little bitches, mostly.

I...okay? I don't know how to respond to this. I imagine that you put up with it the same way you put up with anything else that you don't particularly like to do. That is, either doing it anyway or finding a way around it. I've known several women who've gotten breast reduction surgery in part for this.

And of course, there are probably women who enjoy one or the other or both. And men, come to talk about it. (edit: ninja'd by @surreality)

I just don't know what "little bitches" is supposed to mean in this case.

@Auspice said in RL Anger:

@Thenomain said in RL Anger:

Ties & Jackets > Bras & Heels. I don't know how women handle it.

Just that it was filled internally.

Hur hur jokes about filling bras internally har har.

(I also got this situation. The being passed over for internal candidate that yes, was always going to get it. Not the bra situation.)

And dude, I wish I could just wear men's attire. Worse yet is that I can't even do the men's suit some andro ladies can because my chest is too big. I'm so damn jealous of those that can.

Can you do a blouse and jacket, at least? And I don't think anyone would mind if you wore flats, but yeah, sorry about the bra part.

I have a mild asphyxiation phobia, and it took me several months of wearing the tie to even not feel anxious just putting it on. About a three minute conversation with a woman about bras killed any anxiety about the tie, because it could be so much worse.

@Ominous said in Turn Off Gifs?:

I am referring to the humor that I used in the thread where the gif was originally posted

Eh, it was alright.

Mind you, how much do we post here for our own edification/humor/reasons without considering others, because this is a commenter's forum.

Except for me. I only post for others.

@Auspice said in RL Anger:

Companies that interview you and then fill the position internally.

Assholes, I wore heels for that.

Did they tell you when they hired? So many companies I apply for don't even offer that.

Mind you, I only have to wear ties.

Ties & Jackets > Bras & Heels. I don't know how women handle it.

@Ominous said in Turn Off Gifs?:

@Thenomain Text is a very poor communicator of comedy sadly, which is why gifs are such a wonderful tool. The body language conveyed by the gif communicates much more effectively than what most people can type.

Except that you say your humor wasn't in the Gif, but in saying that the Gif was the best Gif ever.

Mind you, your Gif could have been replaced 1:1 with the text: ???. The absolute best "...what?" Gif I've seen is not even animated; it's the one used by one of our users as their avatar where in the top frame someone has their mouth open and finger raised and eyes opened wide as if to make a point. In the bottom frame, the same person has lowered their finger and closed their mouth with an expression of having no idea where to go next.

Or the text: "...What?"

Comedy is perceptive, regardless of medium, and more importantly it is contextual. You've tried to insert some in a thread where multiple people have gotten tense about implications never made (nobody ever said get rid of Gifs) or insulting/mocking the people for their requests (asshole behavior, honestly).

So, yeah, humor. We can all humor better.

@Arkandel said in The Metaplot:

@Apos However it is also known in the hobby there is a type of player who wants to have the pie and eat it

Why do we suffer these people?

My answer: Not all games have a large enough playerbase to wave them off. Whether or not this is because we suffer these people is, honestly, something I don't think we can easily answer.

I just watched a group of people I was interested in RPing with join a game out of excitement then leave it relatively soon after because they felt the staffer was snarking at them. These people are patient, reasonable, intelligent people and they left because they weren't being treated right.

This is the wall I hit every time I try to play a Mu* with others, or think about this problem. I don't think it's a Catch-22 but in my mind it's a Catch-22.

@Ominous said in Turn Off Gifs?:

@Thenomain It's not the person doing it; it's the expression itself in response to the situation.

Also, my reference to my posting of the image as comedic gold and statement that people are philistines is another comedic device.

So is the juxtaposition of, well, a few things in this case. Making the name of the person the focus of the point. Using text alongside the image. Using one reply that says the same thing as though it's funnier than another.

I mean, it would help if either of us were being particularly funny, but at least we know our tools.

@Apos

Then we agree on the point: It's more than a matter of scale. Scale is important, but so are a lot of other things touched upon. As long as the reason for that is not that they "don't care", because a lot of people who give it a pass do, as per @mietze's post.

@Ominous said in Turn Off Gifs?:

@Thenomain Van Wilder. Deadpool. The Hitman's Bodyguard.

Okay, so he's confused. I've never seen any of those movies so I'm not sure what the brilliance of your GIF is.

edit: @Tempest's made me laugh a bit, tho. By reputation, doesn't him moving on to Deadpool cancel out the horribleness that was Green Lantern?

@Sparks said in The Metaplot:

@Thenomain I think the problem Apos is referencing is when people either don't act on the responses to their requests or don't put in requests in the first place at all, then complain they aren't involved.

On one hand:

• What about what they were offered wasn't involving? How do we know?

On the other hand:

• Eh, if that's the way they feel.

I think part of the problem is that people sometimes view "the staff is GM'ing a scene for me" as the only sort of involvement with metaplot that matters.

It's unfortunate that only staff has the secrets of metaplot, so they do have a point. It's not a complete point, but there's really few things that players can do to overcome it, and most of them involve interfacing on an OOC and Plot-Running level with staff. Staff has to be involved, but @Apos' example was staff being involved, at least in one aspect.

The last quality one comes from echoes of metaplot. An explosion happened over here, so let's react. A god is dead over there, so let's react. Staff may get bits of mail that make them scratch their head a little, as they've lost control over the metaplot, but to me this is what you want. They'll just ("just", he says) ask for clarification and continue with the Staff/Plot-Runner interaction mentioned above.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think the conversation is limiting and a hair defensive from a player view or a staffer view, and so I think we'd all benefit from a wider good-for-the-game view.

@Apos said in The Metaplot:

@mietze Yeah but if it's by degree. If you you have 300 active players that have logged in the past 30 days, and 250 put in jobs about something , and of that like 125 show up to plots about the responses to those jobs, I don't think it's unreasonable if like staff figure that the 50 that never respond aren't interested imo.

I think at that point, if you're concerned who does and doesn't care then you have far too much time on your hands.

Personally, I think the "does not care" summary too generic; people have lives and interests that are not your own. There are a lot of reasons why someone decides not to engage fully with someone else, even if they are the people who initiated it. @WTFE is more on-point with "player response". The above numbers are more "good enough for me" than "they must not care".

I also think that diving into it further a purely voluntary event. (Funny that, this being a hobby and all.) The above numbers are more "good enough for me" than anything, really. That's a fine way to run a game, I suppose, though at those numbers you're further from knowing why these players don't re-engage than you are in the smaller player base.

@Ominous said in Turn Off Gifs?:

I love gifs that are used in a humorous manner. About 1-3 per page is good. After that it gets to be too much.

My confused Ryan Reynolds

... Who?

@ThatGuyThere

I know that I have trouble recognizing humor, but dude...