Posts made by Tinuviel

@Sunny How the fuck did I forget the word consent?

@Pandora said in Privacy in gaming:

I don't understand why and haven't read any argument for it other than 'just because'.

"Just because" is a perfectly reasonable argument when it comes to how people feel. People will feel violated, just because. People will feel insulted, just because.

But, in my case, it takes away my ability to decide who knows what about me. If I tell you, for instance, the names of my children and you then elect to tell others, I would feel violated because I should get to decide who knows that. The same principle applies to information conveyed between two people and intercepted by a third party. I didn't get to decide if I wanted them to know that information, whatever it happens to be.

ETA: When it comes to personal feelings like this, nobody needs to understand why. They just have to understand that it is.

@L-B-Heuschkel It's always a fallacious argument. I don't always know what it is that I'll need to hide from moment to moment, especially when it comes to law enforcement or other government apparatuses - or in this case, the whims of unpredictable human beings with anonymity and authority. So it's far more preferable to be able to hide whatever I choose whenever I choose for any reason I choose.

Um. What?

@Sunny said in Privacy in gaming:

@Pandora

I guess that would make me wary of staff reading my stuff as well, if I was up to no good.

My apologies if this wasn't intended to imply that the objection is because people were up to no good.

@Pandora That does seem to read in a vein of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

I think in those cases, @mietze, you just need to ban literally everyone involved for your own sanity. That's just a hot steaming slice of nope pie with fuckthat sauce.

@Pandora said in Privacy in gaming:

If it's not too much trouble, can someone give me an example from either the second or third category (or both if something comes to mind) of something you imagine that you or another hypothetical player would feel violated about if you found out staff had read it?

It's not really the content of them that most would feel violated by, but the sheer fact that someone "unauthorised" had read them. Like going through someone's phone without their permission.

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@L-B-Heuschkel I don't think textfucking requires those descriptors, aren't they just generally assumed?

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@Sunny I did threaten at one point to do recorded dramatic readings of any TS logs I got...

@Jennkryst There's only so many times you can be set on fire before you stop asking people to set you on fire.

@Derp said in TS - Danger zone:

Though somehow I think that people would miss the joke and take it way too seriously.

Experience has taught me that... yes. People will send you logs.

@Sunny It's definitely the stupid angle I was aiming for. There are so many easier ways to find out information than snooping through their mail. Just lie to people and manipulate them! It worked on me!

I'd definitely call into question the quality of a staffer that wanted to read all the garbage they'd be privy to if they so chose.
Going through actually posted logs is already an arduous task with much eye-rolling, why would you subject yourself to the banal shit people page about in the hopes of finding something juicy? It's like wading through a sewer trying to find gold.

@Derp Well yes, and the way to do that is to show in what ways they are vulnerable.

@Tinuviel To continue that achingly dull point, I definitely think part of the privacy issue needs to rest in the hands of players. Though it's a rather banal statement, if you don't have control of it assume someone can access anything you send over it. It's a common joke that the NSA or whoever is watching everything, that should prompt people to be more circumspect in what they say when they're on someone else's service - be it a game, social media, whatever.

@gryphter Not to engage in a bunch of whataboutism, but the entire internet is terrible at protecting minors. It would be almost impossible to prove that a person is an adult, or indeed who they claim to be, over the internet. I certainly think that providers of services have some level of responsibility to do what they can, but protecting minors should be, primarily, the role of the parent or guardian.

Perhaps the goal, then, is not to establish some wide-ranging privacy policy, but to educate the masses on exactly what it is staff can do.