RL Anger

[SG]

Huh, I always thought the states had better standards than Canada's. Here you can list "Natural Flavours" and it can literally be ANYTHING as long as you're adding it for flavour and not 'nutrition'.

[The Tree of Woe]

Depends I suppose. Your candy's certainly better.

[Insomnia]

One thing people have to remember too is if people are going by BMI's to judge if they are overweight or not? Not so long ago they lowered the numbers. Which means people who were sitting in the average and healthy weight zones, are now considered obese.

plops on tinfoil hat To sell more diet pills, of course.

But still, it happened. There were a lot of people who were maybe a little overweight who are now obese. And that's just dumb.

[Thisnameistaken]

I haven't owned a scale in a decade. My belt tells me what I need to know. I think people worry too much about the numbers and gloss over the actual fitness, and that's what leads to things like anorexia, steroid abuse, and a ton of other disorders/addictions. Healthy doesn't have an exact size.

That said, I kinda agree about the thin being 'bad' these days. It's been that way for men for a long time (don't be the scrawny guy or you must be a geek/academic/nerd/whatever) but I'm seeing a different strain of that directed towards women these days. Namely, the 'if you're skinny, you're a snob/hater/fat-shamer/etc'.

Fact is, people need /something/ to complain about and, in some cases, to take the blame off of themselves. If it's not race, it's size. If it's not size, it's going to be something else.

People need to stop being so.... /people/.

[Shebakoby]

@The-Tree-of-Woe they do it because it's cheaper.

IDK, there's one candy I like better in USA than Canada, and that's Three Musketeers. It doesn't matter when I get it, but I've consistently found (compared directly multiple times) that there's something about the flavor of US 3 Musketeers that I like better than the Canadian one. Maybe it's just me. XD

[AmishRakeFight]

Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881

These are the top 2 killers in the US per the CDC in 2013. Some things to bear in mind, this is drawn from reported clinical data prior to 2013 but after 2010 and this is solely from the US. The only thing that the data took a look at was age at death and the primary cause of death. A deep diver looked at race but socioeconomic and lifestyle factors were not taken into account, at least not in these reporting. It's likely the public health people doing this report didn't have access to that information; but race is generally reported on that kind of paperwork.

Between these 2 groups, you have a separation of just over 26,000 people. In a sample size this large, 26,000 people is small.

So, yes, there are reasons I think to be mindful of what you eat regardless of your size because well, a straight donut and bacon diet is probably a long-term bad call. (Also, I don't think my body could take it, personally speaking.) My point, though is:

If it ain't the donuts, its gonna be the cancer

So maybe people should chill the fuck out and realize that no one gets out alive and making everyone feel like shit about their size means about fuckall in the end.

[HelloRaptor]

@Misadventure said:

M or Krang you make the call.

4 Disturbing Questions About Krang from Ninja Turtles

Many lulz.

@AmishRakeFight

So maybe people should chill the fuck out and realize that no one gets out alive and making everyone feel like shit about their size means about fuckall in the end.

Yeah, why should anybody care about links between obesity and heart disease, when we're all going to die eventually anyway? It's not like we give people shit for smoking over the cancer related health risks, right?

[Shebakoby]

@HelloRaptor Denis Leary keeps telling everyone, "'If you quit smoking, you can live an extra 10 years, you can live an extra 20 years.' I've got news for you folks, it's the ones at the END! It's the wheelchair, adult diaper, kidney dialysis f'ken years, you can have those years, we don't want em!"

I had a relative that smoked like a chimney. He died at age 38 (heart attack). I had another relative that smoked like a chimney. Died at age 65 (cause unknown, thought to be stroke.). Then there's other smokers that live to nearly 100. It's no guarantee one way or the other.

[HelloRaptor]

@Shebakoby said:

@HelloRaptor Denis Leary keeps telling everyone, "'If you quit smoking, you can live an extra 10 years, you can live an extra 20 years.' I've got news for you folks, it's the ones at the END! It's the wheelchair, adult diaper, kidney dialysis f'ken years, you can have those years, we don't want em!"

I had a relative that smoked like a chimney. He died at age 38 (heart attack). I had another relative that smoked like a chimney. Died at age 65 (cause unknown, thought to be stroke.). Then there's other smokers that live to nearly 100. It's no guarantee one way or the other.

In 2001 they concluded a 50 year study in England that showed that fully fifty percent of smokers die from smoking related illnesses, and of those (smoking-related deaths only), over fifty percent died before the age of 50. My father's been smoking since he was a teenager and he's 60 or so now, but anecdotal evidence is not the best kind of evidence.

'Do what you want, we all die anyway so it doesn't matter.' remains bad advice.

[Luna]

The change to BMI is roughly 10 pounds. It's hardly a big deal. I'm not sure it made much of a difference, especially for people who were far more than that amount overweight.

There's been a change in the formula for scalability. It's a mathematical change but it didn't make much of a difference either. A few pounds.

BMI isn't perfect. There are statistical outliers. Body fat is still a good judge. As for heart disease and cancer? Obesity is a risk factor for both. By all means though, you do you and I'll do me. I'm just saying don't misrepresent things like 'I eat so little but can never lose weight' or decide it's cool to be cruel to skinny people or people who have lost weight.

[Ganymede]

@HelloRaptor said:

Yeah, why should anybody care about links between obesity and heart disease, when we're all going to die eventually anyway? It's not like we give people shit for smoking over the cancer related health risks, right?

I concur. And I still smoke.

Anything in excess isn't good for you. I think the conversation ought not be "do something to stay alive longer!", but "stop telling others what they ought to be."

[Arkandel]

@Shebakoby said:

I had a relative that smoked like a chimney. He died at age 38 (heart attack). I had another relative that smoked like a chimney. Died at age 65 (cause unknown, thought to be stroke.). Then there's other smokers that live to nearly 100. It's no guarantee one way or the other.

What other people said. Also, go ask the majority of those 70 year olds if they don't mind dying years a few years earlier because "it's their tail years", see how eager they are to croak.

Contrary to (younger!) people's belief, folks don't get eager to die just because they're retired. They're not counting the days and they can enjoy life quite a bit, thankyouverymuch.

[HelloRaptor]

Since he was using a comedian as a reference, @Arkandel, I don't think that part was meant to be taken seriously. Hopefully. Even Denis Leary doesn't think that's true.

[Arkandel]

@HelloRaptor said:

Since he was using a comedian as a reference, @Arkandel, I don't think that part was meant to be taken seriously. Hopefully. Even Denis Leary doesn't think that's true.

I thought we were allowed to take humorous comments seriously and bash them this week.

You can't change the rules on me like that.

[WTFE]

So this happened in my neck of the woods today.

This is a source of RL Anger on several grounds.

• First, the Captain Obvious issue: how the FUCKING FUCK do you "forget" to screw down the access plate after servicing your escalator? People who did that need to get shoved down the neighbouring escalator just as an illustrative lesson in care and attention. (Not for them, obviously. For those who follow.)
• Second, the mother did the right thing in shoving her son forward. It's tragic that this is also probably what killed her. See, escalators typically have a huge empty space right at about where that plate fell down that's big enough for two adults to stand in while working on the machinery. Had she fell straight down she'd have been safe. Injured, yes. But not dead. Since, however, she had to push her son forward to rescue him, she was angled back and got caught up in the machinery. This is what killed her.
• Third, while the actions of the three staffers there were laudable in intent, they contributed to her death. One (correctly) caught the child and dragged him to safety. One (also correctly) caught on to the woman and tried to hold on to her, ultimately a futile task. The third one, however, stood there and looked on in horror (or tried to do the same as the second) and this is what turned what would have been undoubtedly serious injuries into fatal ones. Had the third one taken a half-step to the right and pressed the fucking cut-off switch (you can see the cover for it once the trash can gets knocked over) the mother would likely have been crushed a little, perhaps lightly lacerated, but otherwise alive. Since, however, she, like most Chinese people, is completely oblivious to her surroundings and what things actually mean (the lack of intellectual curiosity here is a constant piss-off factor for me), she doesn't know to do this. (I just sat my wife down and forced her to watch the video with me again, pointing out where the cut-off switch is and how to use it. Just to make sure that my wife, at least, comprehends the idea of shutting things the fuck off.)
• Fourth, comments on news sites. Holy fuck are people assholes. I think the worst reaction by far, though, and it's one I've seen everywhere, is "Oh, what's one dead Chinese person to a country with 1.6 billion?" The staggering, shit-headed hypocrisy of this is truly astonishing. In the same sentence that these shitheels imply that the Chinese just don't care about the lives of other Chinese, they are themselves showing exactly that same "ho-hum, another dead person" attitude they're trying to decry.

[AmishRakeFight]

@Ganymede @HelloRaptor

That was where I was going with it. People who smoke know what they're signing on for. People who eat like shit know what they're signing on for. Will it happen for sure? Who knows. Maybe? Maybe not?

You have to live in a cave not know what the risks are in whatever lifestyle vice you want to engage in. There's a definitely something meaningful about expressing your concern for someone and their choices as long as you're not a pushy asshole about it but much of the time people are just being pushy assholes for no helpful reason.

[silentsophia]

I hate people who conflate 'not being a fucking asshole' or accommodating someone with being overly sensitive or LOL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

Seriously. Ooh, you're ~honest~ and ~blunt~ and trying to be ~funnay~. No, you're a fucking asshole and a horrible person. Tact is a thing. It's a good thing. Being an asshole doesn't make you cool, witty or ~supar smart~ because you go against the grain~ It makes you a fucking asshole with no sense of empathy or an incredibly lazy asshole.

Maybe it even makes you the whole fucking ass.

Anyone who uses muh soggy knees unironically is also a giant bag of dicks.

[Ganymede]

@silentsophia

I hate people who conflate "I deal with difficult situations with humor, even dark humor" with "omg you're a fucking asshole."

The empathy boat goes in two directions. On one hand is the listener; on the other hand, there's the speaker. The listener ought to be as sympathetic to the speaker, right?

It's helpful to know that many stand-up comedians are very, very broken.

[silentsophia]

@Ganymede I think it's fine to deal with things with humor. On the other hand, making that joke about someone else's condition is kind of shitty. It wasn't even a funny joke. It was more an outright insult. The response to 'dude, wtf' wasn't very good, either.

If a topic upsets someone and it's known, why provoke them? It wasn't just the HR situation - there was someone going on about gamer gate, too elsewhere (and someone else on a game going on about something).

Edit: I mean, hell, I make jokes about my condition and stuff. Some of it pretty dark and self depreciating.

[Ganymede]

@silentsophia said:

I think it's fine to deal with things with humor. On the other hand, making that joke about someone else's condition is kind of shitty.

My self-deprecatory humor about cancer, race, and other topics is less about me and more about my expression of an idea. Most of the time, people's statements are not calculated to be an insult to them.

If a topic upsets someone and it's known, why provoke them?

Because I cannot control how a person is going to react to my statement, I should be more concerned with my expressive ability than others' receptive ability. People can and will choose what interpretations serve them best under the circumstances. That's why provocative humor is difficult to pull off, and is the difference between Adam Sandler and Keegan Michael Key.