Jul 13, 2017, 2:50 AM
@Ghost I appreciate your concern.
RL Anger
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@kk Yes, I was still talking about it. This makes me a hypocrite how? That's right: it doesn't.
And, as I have stated four times now: that has been addressed and quoted. You were not the party quoted. Nobody said those words were in your text, mouth, or mind.
It has been addressed. Clearly. And discussed with maturity and a surprising level of understanding was reached -- all before you posted.
And, again: yep, I was going after you, after what I consider an insult. So?
If it's perfectly fine and dandy and I'm not supposed to be informed or shamed or remorseful in any manner, why even bring it up? As the old improv classic goes: "Yes, and... ?"
Oh fucking well.
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You put words in the posters mouth which were not typed. I was one of those posters.
I responded after I woke up.
You appeared to get upset.
Your understanding with others was not an understanding with me.
You jumped on me for talking about this topic on a thread that was already talking on it a few days ago. You expressed it partly bothers you because you past. I apologized.
I pointed out that you are still talking about it yourself.
You appeared to get upset.
You expressed upset because you believed I personally attacked you. You then personally attacked me while expressing that upset.
I admit I am not social genius, but I am not understanding this at all.
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@surreality Could you just stop?
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You put words in the posters mouth which were not typed. I was one of those posters.
I cited a specific quote. Not from you. Zero words in your mouth from me.
Look. I realize that there's a disturbing tendency today (in the sense of 'generally in the modern day, thx politics' and 'literally today') in reading things in terms of some sort of 'faction-based' mentality in which anybody who isn't 100% supporting every single thing said by 'a member of the team' is 'the enemy'. This is really, really dumb behavior and I wish people would knock it off.
Like, seriously. Earlier in the thread @Roz and I pointlessly argued a thing because calling something a 'lesser evil' was 'a defense', and that's just depressing, y'all. 'Not 100% agreement, just 80% agreement' is... not 'the opposite thing'. I grokked where the confusion came from, bolded some bits, and it didn't come up again, presumably because the original intent was more clear as not being a defense or major disagreement at all. That's fine and cool, and doubly cool it seemingly clarified quickly, but seriously. This faction-based approach. It's kinda bonkers from where I'm sitting. I mean I guess people figure me and @Ghost are Team B or something -- but we've had way more brutal arguments than this one got in other threads and we disagree plenty and have in this thread, too.
I responded after I woke up.
You appeared to get upset.
Your understanding with others was not an understanding with me.
And this became clear later. Like I said: foot in mouth. That? I was actually not kidding or trying to be snarky with 'just own it, realize it's a goof, realize nobody's going to care you made a goof, and ultimately you shouldn't, either.'
Seriously. Nobody will give a damn two minutes from now. Most people probably never cared to begin with. That's because goofs are fine.
Admitting you made one -- even with a d'oh! -- actually does win people a lot of credit around here. No, really. Again, not snarking. This is true. Anybody it isn't true of is a jackass not worth paying any goddamn mind to, if you ask me, at least.
Think of it this way: if @Ghost had realized 'd'oh, didn't mean to hit a specific nerve, my bad' the original argument would have ended pretty damn quick, right? ...exactly.
You jumped on me for talking about this topic on a thread that was already talking on it a few days ago. You expressed it partly bothers you because you past. I apologized.
Yeah, days ago.
Though it was not because of the past thing. While a lot of people bang on about this whole 'omg princess martyr' thing, my 'high value victimization' that someone saw fit to make snide comments about is not shit that happened on games, and it is not anything I would be seeking emotional support for on this forum. This forum is not the place for that, and as blurty as I am about random silly RL crap, those things are not anybody's business. Some shit's been referenced at times, for example 'as someone who has been raped, I appreciate games that have a policy that does not allow this to happen without full consent of all parties', and so on, and there was one much more detailed thing I actually was throwing at @Ghost myself a few months back. (I do not consider this to be attention-whoring around the forum for consolation or sympathy, YMMV, apparently a lot of other folks' does.)
I pointed out that you are still talking about it yourself.
Yeah, I am. But it is in a place for exactly this sort of thing.
I still think a thread for this topic as it emerges/arises on games is a very good idea. (For two reasons, actually: it stops it from spilling over into every other thread, and it keeps the references to the subject together -- which means it's easier to spot trends and commonalities, which helps us collectively identify what kind of incidents are going around and better discuss potential solutions to this core set of issues.)
You appeared to get upset.
You expressed upset because you believed I personally attacked you. You then personally attacked me while expressing that upset.
Yeah, I do take hypocrisy seriously. I do consider it a personal attack. Like @Ganymede and 'obtuse' -- there's a reason I apologized for that immediately and did (and still do) mean it, even though we were arguing at the time about other things as well.
I'm still not denying anything about throwing something back at you. You were within your rights to call me something, same's true of me. Life goes on for both of us.
I admit I am not social genius, but I am not understanding this at all.
...and I am on about no sleep and medication that makes me incredibly loopy and testy, and I am miles from my best lately. No insult here, just empathy on the whole 'are also human' front. We've all got our crap -- and, you know? That is ok, too. Nobody is obligated to be perfect, and fuck anybody who says mistakes aren't allowed or that people aren't allowed to have off days or that being grumpy or confused or sad or angry is verboten.
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munches on popcorn and enjoys the drama
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@scar Not taking requests today. Sorry not sorry, I guess.
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Anyone ever see the commercial where the tattoo artist apologies for a botched job by saying "Sorry, I was eating a Milky Way" in the snidest, most facetious way possible? I just thought of it for some reason.
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For all the folks cheering @shangexile on, let's remember that he's the dude from this log.
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@shangexile go away. Why do you have to come popping around every time someone disagrees with @surreality in particular? It's creepy. Creepy af.
#FreeFarfalla
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@Meg Free country bro.
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@Meg I'm sure the other two will be along shortly, it's only a matter of time. (This is not "martyrdom", this is rolling my eyes so hard I can actually see gray matter and, again, some days, there is just not enough pained sigh in the world.)
edit: He'll start upvoting you, too, whenever you post, just so you know he's paying attention and 'present' -- presumably in some sort of creepy intimidation attempt. I actually got to watch the number of upvotes flicker wildly for a bit so multiple notifications would be sent. Thankfully, 'block PMs from this person' also blocks notifications from them. Handy to know, sorry that actually had to be passed along as potentially useful advice.
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@shangexile I'm not your bro, bro. And this isn't a country, it's a forum. You are so fcking creepy; that is all I want to state for the record.
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@shangexile agreed. Go away. Your stalkerish behavior is creepy and unwelcome, and the way you're just trying to get a rise out of @surreality is petty.
You should set higher standards for yourself.
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@Meg Duly noted.
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@Ghost I appreciate your concern.
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If the meetup is held in Seattle I'll make a couple of Jell-O shot cakes. Maybe even a whole one for WTFE.
I can testify that @mietze's Jell-O shot cakes will knock you on the ground, and you won't get up again for hours.
It happened to me!
Now we know why you're called Cupcake.
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Much use of the word "creep". In honor of that, some musical entertainment.
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You know, after all of that gnashing of teeth and shouting at each other over insults, semantics, derails etc., I'm glad we can all still come together more or less unified to point at the weirdo stalker dude like 'grrrrrross.'
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@saosmash No shit, right? Thank you, y'all.
(No, really. Much
I would totally share all the ice cream we stockpiled for post-dental hell with y'all if I could.)