Star Wars: Insurgency

[ThatGuyThere]

Will FCs have an advantage over OC is in finding RP seeming to be the central issue and I think they will but only for getting that first scene with a player.
Not using the Luke example since he would not be a draw for me in the slightest. (Never been a fan of the whole force/jedi aspect of Starwars.) But if I am playing on the game and had two offers for RP with players I had not RPed with and one was from OC and the other was from someone playing Wedge Antilles (or hell even Gavin Darklighter) I would choose Wedge but that is a double edged sword, I also have expectations as to who I want Wedge to be and if the person playing him does not meet those I would politely decline future RP opportunities, where as the OC would just have to pretty unpleasant to RP with for me not to continue to RP with them

[Kanye Qwest]

This thread is just reminding me that I still think the SWU has the silliest names in all fiction.

[mietze]

@Kanye-Qwest said in Star Wars: Insurgency:

This thread is just reminding me that I still think the SWU has the silliest names in all fiction.

Dammit, maybe I shouldn't make my bounty hunter Sox Tyrdblatt after all.

[Ganymede]

@mietze said in Star Wars: Insurgency:

Dammit, maybe I shouldn't make my bounty hunter Sox Tyrdblatt after all.

My SW PC's name is Orly.

(See attached pic.)

[bored]

@ixokai said in Star Wars: Insurgency:

Please note that no one affiliated with this game said you bashed the game nor have any of us taken the criticism as bashing: nor did we turn aside criticism.

I know, that wasn't really directed at you. You seem sporting about the discussion, and probably like reasonable people staffwise (detractors should take note that even in one of my early posts, I clarify that I think in the majority of cases, even staff making bad decisions are doing it for what they feel are good reasons).

@WTFE

Ok? None of this is emotional. I'm not saying that I'm some perfect logicbot that never rants and flames (I did it plenty about games I actually played on and had valid, personal beefs with, like Firan) but the idea that I'm raging about a game I haven't tried is a little far-fetched.

If I'm being an asshole, well, definitions vary there. Maybe I cling to the WORA posting norm where I don't feel the need to hold off from saying 'X is stupid' if I think X is stupid, and maybe that makes me some % of an asshole. I'll deal.

@Apu

I'm not writing the game off as a failure, I'm writing off the policy as being beneficial to the game because I've never seen the policy be beneficial to any game (in this genre context). SW games have succeeded, for some amount of time, with FCs, but my feeling is that's a case of in spite of, rather than because of.

[tangent]

@bored Let's add some fun to this and make a wager. Everyday from now until the end of time, you can refer to this game as one of the 73 games that have tried this and failed, up until at whenever, if ever, a time it becomes a success by some mutually negotiated user-count, longevity, number of scenes sort of metric. At that point, if ever, you would need to start a new thread about how you were wrong and there were only 72, but Insurgency was the exception that proved the rule, and I get to follow you around every so often and lightly troll you.

I'm a bettin man, so whaddya say?

[bored]

Congratulations on completely missing my point. I'm in no way, shape, or form saying 'this game will fail because of FCs.' I have never said anything to that effect, and I'm sure the game will be about as successful as similar ones in its category (genre, ruleset, etc).

Nonetheless, my feeling is that, whatever level of success the game achieves, it would still do better if it did everything else exactly the same but simply didn't include them. I feel they add little (ie, mostly some 'ooh shiny factor' for a subset of people who just have to play their favorite character from the movies, and possibly some CG shortcuts) but subtract a lot (mostly in the form of creating negative experiences for the non FC players).

[tangent]

@bored yeah sure, but that doesn't make for a fun bet /at all/. Work with me here, man.

[bored]

I have no interest in engaging with this fallacy, which is a very common defense of bad games (not that this one is), policies, and mechanics (it's these latter two): that 'success makes everything OK.' Firan was a very successful game, but also featured some of the most horrifying staff policies and culture in the history of the hobby, and one can imagine it would have been a better game if it did all the things it did well while also not being run by an incestuous staff clique full of high school mean girl personalities and a couple borderline sexual predators.

Saying 'it did well!' does not justify bad choices along the way. A game doing well while having FCs does not make FCs a good idea. Etc.

[lordbelh]

Best of luck to you.

I'm not much of a fan of canon characters being played, regardless of if they have the same 'stats' as everybody else. I have never seen it turn out in a way I found satisfactory.

But I know others love it, so I'm only gonna chalk it up as 'not for me.'

[tangent]

@bored You are no fun. Like, at all.

[Bobotron]

@bored
We get that it's your point. What's causing friction is you KEEP harping on it. Every reply. We understand. Shut up about it. It's not for you, it's not for you. Continuing to go 'every game FAAAAAAAILED because FCs' every time someone replies to something in the thread, is making you look like a hostile troll. Bow out and graciously stop posting, because that's the ONLY way that you'll stop being purposefully misread in order to bait you into continuing to post.

[bored]

You should probably go look at the thread and notice that I'm responding to posts @ me and not actually harping in any way. I don't think @ixokai thinks I'm being particularly abusive or anything? But way to escalate the hostility level yourself.

[WTFE]

Repeating the same point endlessly without variation is pretty much the fucking definition of "harping on it".

[Ghost]

Note: You're "not harping on it" when you tie a rope to your point, stab it into something, and then drag it off to die.

That would be harpooning it.

I'll accept people complaining that admin took the downvote button away with dignity

[Ghost]

Post Script: I hope that players of Star Wars: Insurgency will think of this moment fondly the first time their airspeeders user harpoons and tow cables.

[GentlemanJack]

This is a strange and interesting thematic choice. I see a few difficulties:

1. Why would any of these feature characters come to Corellia? I realize you were departing from established canon at an odd time period, which is interesting, but having Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca, and Leia running around Corellia for reasons will be strange.

2. This is literally the center of Imperial naval power because all of those big v-shaped ships are built here at Corellia Drive Yards. I don't know how a rebellion would seize control of Corellia.

[ThatGuyThere]

@GentlemanJack said in Star Wars: Insurgency:

This is a strange and interesting thematic choice. I see a few difficulties:

1. Why would any of these feature characters come to Corellia? , Han Solo, Chewbacca,

Well for those two, it would be rather simple. Han is Corellian so there could be numerous reasons to drag him back, and cause of the life debt Chewie goes with Han unless told not to (cross reference Empire Strikes Back where Han tell him to look after Leia) so that writes him in as well.

[Arkandel]

@GentlemanJack said in Star Wars: Insurgency:

1. Why would any of these feature characters come to Corellia? I realize you were departing from established canon at an odd time period, which is interesting, but having Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca, and Leia running around Corellia for reasons will be strange.

I'll tackle this one. How about these explanations as to 'why':

1. They come over because of things the PCs are doing. Presumably characters are IC occupied with something important and interesting that eventually gets the FCs' attention so they peek in.

2. Assuming they're not played full time as regular PCs (which I hope but that might not be how this game will do it) then they won't be there all the time. So to reverse your question, is there a reason Luke, Chewbacca and Leia would never visit Corellia?

[Tempest]

I'm pretty sure the FCs are being played as regular PCs. I don't mind personally...until the Rebellion side of things becomes "Luke Skywalker and Friends", which experience says....it probably will.

I have no idea who Luke is, but if we're going to be honest, There's pretty good odds the player will A) wind up squatting, barely being active, and TSing Mara Jade, or B) be an attention whore who makes the whole game all about him.

Again, not saying there's a problem, and I have no idea who these players are, and I don't care they're playing FCs, but....most of us have done this song and dance a few times. How often does the above Options A & B /not/ happen?

tl;dr Who cares there's FCs, it's fine. Until it's not, and then the question is whether staff actually does something.