Eldritch - A World of Darkness MUX
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Speaking of wolf 2e, I for one am amused that they became more socially aspected than vampire. This makes me chuckle on a level that I cannot describe with words. It's totally awesome and they have some of the best conditions (Shadow Paranoia), but it's also so very amusing that the werewolves in 2e are now pack monsters that have integrated into society rather than pack monsters that avoid society. It's doubly amusing when their integration is better than the vampire who has been integrating into society for hundreds of years, sometimes thousands. Actually there's a joke here isn't there? Onyx Path, did you just make a joke?
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I wasn't offended; it just looked like you were seriously not understanding something very simple. I also don't need an apology. It kind of seems like you're the one that's offended here, not anyone else.
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Explain why after I say I misunderstood something it needed to be repeated that I wasn't on the same page?
Explain why after /I/ mention something, it needs to be stated that no one else did?
What were either things hoping to achieve? Did I stutter? Do I lack the "authority" to bring up something on my own?
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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@Misadventure Remain unrustled. Look at this kitten, you're still my favorite.
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@Misadventure Or no explanations are needed for any of that.
I'm glad I was wrong about the auspice moon gifts for exactly the reason @tragedyjones mentioned, but Lunar Month Wolf Man would've been the best.
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@Misadventure said:
Yeah, you are the one that's offended. I thought so.
Explain why after I say I misunderstood something it needed to be repeated that I wasn't on the same page?
First: I don't need to explain shit. But since you asked so nicely:
If you misunderstand something, I repeat it, since obviously it wasn't explained well the first time. Also, you misunderstanding something doesn't take up all instances of misunderstanding in the conversation; don't be greedy, we can all misunderstand something if we want, and even misunderstand different things.
Explain why after /I/ mention something, it needs to be stated that no one else did?
For example, you bringing something up out of the blue in a way that suggested it was a topic of conversation meant I interpreted it as that. If you're going to introduce something new, do so in a way that explicitly explains it's something new you want to incorporate into the conversation and why, so people don't wonder why you brought it up. People are not obligated to understand your leaps of internal logic.
What were either things hoping to achieve? Did I stutter? Do I lack the "authority" to bring up something on my own?
This is just more passive aggression.
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My guess:
Mis was seeing the "5xp for level 1 of a different Moon Gift" as the XP throttle. This is assuming that you can buy Moon Gifts out of Auspice, but in this case Onyx Path means this is how much it would cost to start a second Moon Gift, when we get to the point that you can. So it's not a throttle; it's a clarification made before the situation exists.
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@Theno: Good effort, but I was so far out in left field that what I was saying couldn't make sense.
@coin That phrase, you're literally(1) using it wrong(2). More specifically, what you hoped to achieve was the most important part of my posting. However, other than the extraordinary requirement that people make a specific introductory paragraph for any detail or topic outside of something someone else has posted is unrealistic, and unnecessary, talking about a misunderstanding of a misunderstanding is unlikely to be productive at this time. Hopefully you didn't have something deeply valuable to say to me.
(1) This is humor about the newly defined meaning of literal as being both literal and figurative. It acknowledges both the shifting values for language and how badly that process can go astray.
(2) Perhaps you mean I was begging the question, or otherwise laying a semantic trap? That is not passive aggression. That you conflate the label with something you should in fact ignore makes this doubly so. Just something for you to consider.
@glitch Certainly not, unless you want to have a progression of purposeful conversation. If @coin wanted no effect and no reply, mia culpa. People can ignore stuff as desired.
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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Even I did not understand what, if anything, you were getting at.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT!?
I'm a rodeo clown.
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@tragedyjones said:
WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT!?
Something Something Werewolf 2e. Something Something @coin lacking tact. Something Something Old Man @tragedyjones yelling get off my lawn.
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@Ganymede said:
Even I did not understand what, if anything, you were getting at.
Same, though I find this to be the case pretty frequently with @Misadventure.
That's not meant as an insult, just an awkward observation. Sometimes it feels like a normal question has been put through a translation tool from English to something else, then again across a few others, then back to English and so while the words might seem relevant at a glance the sentences themselves no longer parse in context with what's being talked about.
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@HelloRaptor said:
@Ganymede said:
Even I did not understand what, if anything, you were getting at.
Same, though I find this to be the case pretty frequently with @Misadventure.
That's not meant as an insult, just an awkward observation. Sometimes it feels like a normal question has been put through a translation tool from English to something else, then again across a few others, then back to English and so while the words might seem relevant at a glance the sentences themselves no longer parse in context with what's being talked about.
Yah.
@Alzie said:
@tragedyjones said:
WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT!?
Something Something Werewolf 2e. Something Something @coin lacking tact. Something Something Old Man @tragedyjones yelling get off my lawn.
lololololol.
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Okay plain english. I think @coin came across as rude, abrupt, and failed to even try move the conversation forward, and when asked to offer reasoning said "no, you."
It would be like someone responding to a suggestion to a group with "You're a fucker." You'd want some sort of expansion on that, if you assumed the person actually has a point. I assume everyone here has a point, trite or serious, cooperative or conflicting.
I don't assume this means @coin intends that, or is a raging ahole. The offense I feel is that uselessness of a post, followed by defense of said post. Maybe i attend too many productive meetings these days.
Other than that, I was off on my own topic, something acknowledged long ago.
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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@Misadventure said:
Okay plain english. I think @coin came across as rude, abrupt, and failed to even try move the conversation forward, and when asked to offer reasoning said "no, you."
It would be like someone responding to a suggestion to a group with "You're a fucker." You'd want some sort of expansion on that, if you assumed the person actually has a point. I assume everyone here has a point, trite or serious, cooperative or conflicting.
I don't assume this means @coin intends that, or is a raging ahole. The offense I feel is that uselessness of a post, followed by defense of said post. Maybe i attend too many productive meetings these days.
Other than that, I was off on my own topic, something acknowledged long ago.
Since nobody here actually seems to understand what the hell you were talking about in the first place, and your plain english explanation still offers no relevant details on that beyond "@Coin is a great big dummy who didn't answer my question that was somehow both relevant to the current topic and off on its own little rail", perhaps you should try starting from the beginning, and explain what precisely it is you're wanting to say and how you want to say it. You said something about xp throttling on gifts, and were told that's both not what we were talking about and not how the system works. What more do you need on that? If you meant something else, perhaps an explanation is in order.
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Nothing to explain, really? I was interested in ways to keep players with lots of XP from having all the things , that work for online play. I misunderstood what peeps were saying, made a comment based on that misunderstanding, it was asked about, I nodded and say yup my bad. The topic, while interesting to me, isn't what was being talked about here, and due to the setup of Werewolf 2.0 isn't going to happen, so not the place to talk about it.
I wasn't aware that saying that XP are meant to pace and limit what you have in a game was an esoteric or obscure statement. To me, it's practically a throw away, like saying "AD&D style Character Classes can be too limiting for MU* play."
I am not playing at Eldritch. I am not playing werewolf anywhere. I read here to get ideas on how to handle stuff for online games in general from peeps in the know.
That's it.
TLDR;
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I have no other horse in this race than keeping Eldritch drama-free, but I continue my belief that open is better than closed.
=============================== Announcements ================================ Message: 1/104 Posted Author Siteban: Rostam Wed Oct 28 Thenomain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ After being asked to look into a player here by their connections to Reno and RtK, I have decided to remove Rostam from EldritchMUX. The reasoning behind this concerns mainly his behavior as Rex on Reno, who was accused by several players of OOC emotional manipulation. After talking about this with Reno staff, I decided that this behavior was likely to repeat and asked Rostam to leave the game. He agreed. I expect this to have some fallout off the game, if not on, so let me preface to say that while it was Deviant who asked me to look into this, the reason behind my decision was the history of drama and not any drama slap-fight that Dev and Rostam had on another game. They're grown men and can sulk in their rooms. As Rostam was by his own admission involved in nothing, I don't forsee any issues on the game but if someone has questions or issues of any IC or OOC nature, please let me know. (Page or put in a Bug request. Yeah, really.) Thanks everyone, and enjoy your day. ==============================================================================“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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I want to congratulate Eldritch staff for being proactive. Too often in our hobby such behaviors get way to much play before being shut down. I may not play Eldritch and have no intention of ever playing there but this gets a big thumbs up from me.
The sad fact is once someone has show a repeated pattern of behavior it is unlikely to change.
I am all for second chances but it is the third and fourth chances that tend to drive folks crazy.
