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I'm glad to hear Carnival Row doesn't lean hard into the steampunk stuff. I'm not at all a steampunk fan, but the rest of the concept sounds really cool.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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TBH it's arguably hardly steampunk at all. Aside from one flashback scene with zeppelins, I can't think of anything that's not just Industrial-era tech, and it's not like anyone's waltzing around with a ton of extraneous brass buckles and wearing goggles on their top hats or whatever.
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@surreality said in Good TV:
I wouldn't say the series is at all dependent on having seen it, as a prequel. There are some things from the film you can look at and say, 'oh, so that's why that was how it was!' but that's fairly standard for any prequel.
It's not, and I've been told by my partner that there are some glaring continuity differences, but it is still very good. I appreciate the mix of puppetry and CGI.
Also, Simon Pegg does a great job of impersonating the Chamberlain.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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TBH it's arguably hardly steampunk at all. Aside from one flashback scene with zeppelins, I can't think of anything that's not just Industrial-era tech, and it's not like anyone's waltzing around with a ton of extraneous brass buckles and wearing goggles on their top hats or whatever.
There's a steam-powered monorail that runs through the center of the row. We even see people who appear to have jobs building/maintaining it. We get the zeppelins that you mention and rifles with some scopes that look rather odd.
Which is sort of my point. Half the time when it seems like it would be appropriate for steampunk (such as a scene where there are multiple carriages) we get nothing and it becomes easy to forget the other steampunk elements we've seen. Then other times we get these elements that remind us and we end up wondering where those elements were earlier.
Again, it isn't so much that I'm really pro-steampunk. It's more to do with it just feeling like it was just sort of half-assed and kept being forgotten by the set designers. I would have been completely happy with them leaving out all of the steampunk elements.
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I'm pretty sure I watched Dark Crystal when I was little, but I can't really remember it; it wasn't a staple of my childhood. Would I still enjoy it without the childhood love?
I rewatched the original (It's streaming, too), fully expecting age and technology to have ruined it for me but I still loved it. YMMV.
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Sliding back to Carnival Row...
I’m having a REAL HARD TIME with the fairies all being Irish. I thought maybe it was a commentary, looked it up, and no. The actress just thought it was a “cool idea”. 🤯
why are all your immigrant refugees Irish? In a world of English people. Y I k e s.
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@The-Sands I think they're mixing their allegories and playing on different elements. There's commentary on everything from refugee ethics, passing privilege, respectability politics, and has hints of everything from black issues to Jewish ghettos.
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Re: Carnival Row
Molefish.
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@tek The definitely are. I just wasn't picking up on the commentary about immigrant/refugees until you pointed it out (and it's a little embarrassing to me that I didn't get it until then).
I've finished the series and while I was able to spot the 'big bad' several episodes before the end there were still other good reveals that I hadn't seen coming.
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@Wizz The issues with the gelfling puppets and their stiff faces is something that the creators specifically address for the production. There's a "Making of" documentary on Netflix (you can either watch all 10 episodes and the the documentary, or skip ahead to the end of the episode list to access it) and they talk about how those problems with the Gelflings were the particular bee in Henson's bonnet, and how they move forward specifically addressing that problem.
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The issues with the gelfling puppets and their stiff faces is something that the creators specifically address for the production.
Frankly, I like the stiffness. It reminds me of how much effort went into the puppetry, and how much the creators wanted to pay homage to Henson and the franchise's roots. So, give me a bit of stiffness, please.
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@surreality said in Good TV:
I wouldn't say the series is at all dependent on having seen it, as a prequel. There are some things from the film you can look at and say, 'oh, so that's why that was how it was!' but that's fairly standard for any prequel.
It's not, and I've been told by my partner that there are some glaring continuity differences, but it is still very good. I appreciate the mix of puppetry and CGI.
Also, Simon Pegg does a great job of impersonating the Chamberlain.
This, even with glaring continuity differences (big picture for the movie's theme/prophecy), its a great work. Chameberlain is near spot on, that is great and I like Hamill on the scientist. The development of character for each of the Skeksis is great and I like the portrayal of the Emperor who is only seen briefly in the movie.
Frankly, I like the stiffness. It reminds me of how much effort went into the puppetry, and how much the creators wanted to pay homage to Henson and the franchise's roots. So, give me a bit of stiffness, please.
With all the CGI available, especially to the Henson Company, I'm glad to see the use of puppetry. They is some great advancements and without having read the reason why they choose to keep it near the same, I imagine its homage and continuity with the puppetry of the first one, they don't look out of place compared to their originals despite how much more advanced the puppetry is.
I'm enjoying it even with my reservations as a proud fan since the original movie.
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I'm getting more and more excited about Picard. So far the returning characters confirmed are:
- Jean-Luc Picard (duh)
- Will Riker(Will Troi? Diner-Troi?)
- Deanna Troi (Deanna Riker? Troi-Riker?)
- Data
- Seven of Nine/Annika Hansen
- Hugh
For some reason, it's Hugh that has me really intrigued. For those of you that aren't in the know, Hugh was a Borg drone the Enterprise crew nursed back to health. Picard originally ordered it to be euthanized. The whole episode was a morality play on whether or not a Borg should be allowed the chance to live, even if returned to the Borg (kill it so that it can't draw the Borg to you or return it to the Borg.) Hugh eventually decided that Geordie was his friend, he didnt want to leave the crew, but ultimately sacrificed his individuality to return to the Borg to protect his friend, Geordie.
It is believed that Hugh's individuality, prior to being wiped, would be witnessed by all of the Borg and perhaps result in a thought timebomb or emotional virus that could offspring a will to become individuals.
So Hugh plus Seven of Nine plus Borg in the trailer has me intrigued, because I love my Space Cenobites dearly.
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
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Klaes is my favorite.
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I'm getting more and more excited about Picard.
I think we're getting Romulans, too. I'm assuming that the amazing thing that Picard is referenced as having done in the trailers has to do with helping evacuate Romulus or something related to the supernova disaster of Star Trek reboot movie fame/infamy.
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I'm getting more and more excited about Picard.I think we're getting Romulans, too. I'm assuming that the amazing thing that Picard is referenced as having done in the trailers has to do with helping evacuate Romulus or something related to the supernova disaster of Star Trek reboot movie fame/infamy.
That would be interesting if the Kelvin timeline was affected by the Prime timeline, and then Kelvin also affected Prime. If that makes sense?
Either way I'm excited for Romulans ever since playing one on STO.
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WoT has cast Lan.
My only complaint is he is too young. I was really hoping for Byron Mann after seeing him in Wu Assassin
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@WildBaboons said in Good TV:
I was really hoping for Byron Mann after seeing him in Wu Assassin
Everyone hopes for Byron Mann after seeing him in Wu Assassin.
Unfortunately, you're more likely to get Ken Jeong.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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